i could never quit, when you're passionate about something, that would be an impossibility.

i also want to crack the commercial industry to make loads of money

But i agree that everyone goes through these phazes...i'm personally overwhelmed right now as ia have to write 20mins of music for a documentary in about 5-6days. So talk about stressful

writing 20 minutes for a documentary should be pretty easy.......If you were writing 20 minutes of trance HITS then it would be harder but its just a score....just imagine yourself watching a show and play similar notes =)

I say do it because you love it. I do it because I love it, plain and simple. The "big boys" also have an advantage over a large number of us in the sense that if you are doing this for a living, you have all day to produce.

Most of us have regular jobs or school that we have to be at for 8 hours a day, and that severely limits the amount of time you have to produce.

I can usually only get a good 2 or 3 hours a day, maybe 4 or 5 times a week to produce, so it'll take me that much longer to crank out a track than if I was able to work on it all day.

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Originally posted by Fledz Every single person has gone through that stage, is in that stage, or will be in that stage in the future. Nothing to worry about. I won;t quit because I enjoy it and it's a hobbie. If it becomes more than that, then that's awesome, but if it doesn't, I still plan to release some things and keep doing what I love. Though I'm sure everyone will agree that there are always those times where everything is a real pain in the butt. It's all part of producing.

Very well said as I feel the same way. Just keep on keepin on...

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I never forget the day when I received the email about the first track being signed. After all those years of practising, sending out demos and spending lots of money for hardware and software me and my productions partner were very happy.

But even if things would have been different, I never regret spending lots of time and money into creating music. Don't give up but you should make music for yourself, not to get it signed. If you try to make music for others it's not the same as if you do it the way you like it.

I've always made the music for me...some of these tracks the people didn't like...some of these got signed. Just do it for you own pleasure and see what happens

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Originally posted by Trancevision I never forget the day when I received the email about the first track being signed. After all those years of practising, sending out demos and spending lots of money for hardware and software me and my productions partner were very happy. But even if things would have been different, I never regret spending lots of time and money into creating music. Don't give up but you should make music for yourself, not to get it signed. If you try to make music for others it's not the same as if you do it the way you like it. I've always made the music for me...some of these tracks the people didn't like...some of these got signed. Just do it for you own pleasure and see what happens

That's the spirit! Hehe yeah

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i think we put too much pressure on ourselves to make something great. i know that's how i am. even though i've always wanted to make great music for myself, i've always pressured myself with being too perfect about things. you don't need to please anyone else, but yourself...sometimes you just need to finish tracks for yourself and not worry about anyone else ever hearing it.

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will you ever give up??

No.
I've been making music for over 10 years now.
It's an outlet I need in order to keep my sanity as well as my fun in being alive. Without music my existence would literally feel useless.

It doesn't matter if it stays a hobby or becomes a profession, I just need it. It's my meditation.

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If less is more think about how much more more would be. -Frasier

I take long breaks, but give up? Nah...

Keep in mind that professional producers are, well, professionals. They do it for a living and probably don't have 8-10 hours of their days taken up by real jobs. That's part of how they produce 47 tracks a week.

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I've never understood why anyone would give up music all together, I've seen some good musicians do it though. I've taken some long breaks from music, but I never gave it up. I've always played guitar, keyboards, wrote and recorded music, even if it was only on a 4 track recorder. It's a creative outlet, it's fun. I've been seriously producing EDM for about 2 years now. I have 1 release so far, that's all I've submitted. I'm about to submit a 4 song EP to the label I deal with.

I have gotten discouraged before with producing, only because I started focusing on trying to make a name for myself. I suppose a little bit of success makes you want even more. If that becomes your focus, it will suck the fun right out of producing. I had to realize that I've only been listening to to Trance and modern EDM for 3 years, and producing it for 2 years. Before that, I was mostly into rock and metal. I'm still getting accustomed to a new genre of music. You have to always put things in perspective, and create music simply because you enjoy it.

I've heard that a lot of producers give up because of poor sales. Anyone who gives up that easily never had the passion for it, they wouldn't have gone very far anyway.

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Originally posted by DJ Sound writing 20 minutes for a documentary should be pretty easy.......If you were writing 20 minutes of trance HITS then it would be harder but its just a score....just imagine yourself watching a show and play similar notes =)

Dude, soundtracking is crazy hard because the soundtrack can't get in the way of the recorded dialogue. So you have to produce it around the dialogue. Also, I've tried soundtracking for video shorts and all my soundtracks suck because they just don't sound all that appropriate. Theres also a rhythm to the way that film is editted and you have to latch onto that. I noticed that the the opening sequence for Ghost in the Shell: Standalone Complex is cut to a click track making it easier to score (many sequences in the actual program though do not have such rigid timing) but its still hard to come up with music that fits.

I tend to find writing music independantly of deadlines and contracts to be much easier as I get to do what I am best at and I can do things the way I am comfortable with doing things. I used to do water colour commissions for a brief period many years ago and I just couldn't hack it. Wasn't ready for it. Its been on hiatus for years now as I get more and more into sound design. But any type of commission work requires you to be seriously good and seriously flexible.

Whereas with soundtrack work you often have to work to crazy deadlines and you often have to produce music at tempos and in styles that you aren't accustomed to writing in.

I have an enormous amount of respect for a number of producers and composers that work in film. Yoko Kanno is one of the bigger name ones but those peeps at Victor are also amazing at their jobs.

i have now given up on a dream to make it onto the big labels like armada, vandit, magik etc. all i now make music for is because i want to make it for my own listening pleasure. sometimes i think that i will probably stop making music but then an idea comes up and i have to get it out my head. i still send out my trax now and then, and then see them popping up on radio shows like markus schulz and m.i.k.e and this gives me a boost to get into it seriously again.

i cant see myself stopping as a hobby for atleast a few years yet. and if by then i am making proper money from sales then i will do it for the money.

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