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Originally posted by FunkyCrew look who's back, back again

Really glad to see him back myself.

I have missed Jay's commentary on matters. We most always seem to view shit from the same angle.

It's nice to see.

Hopefully he'll be back in full force

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im not back i just simply had to input on a topic thats very very important to me.

Now to the second part of wht this is happening. Big record labels are hurting which is causing them to be more ravenous. EMI just laid off a ton of people as did Sony. Labels are merging like crazy and even satellite radio is about to merge meaning a lot of laid off and fired talent as well as less choice for the consumer.

WHY?

Downloading.

People think they are screwing big labels when they steal. Well they are. So how do the labels respond? By joining forces to dominate even more of the shrinking market to marginalize their losses. It's a reactive approach to ensure their survival.

So basicially internet music stealing is leading to FEWER choices in the long run and MORE dominance of the labels everyone seems to hate. Sure, an artist will get more exposure on the net but so what? Hes not getting paid so eventually the said artist will have to get a 9 to 5 and give up.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

This goes for songs in mix sets as well?

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Originally posted by samhouse This goes for songs in mix sets as well?

in a way Yeah. now a days you have cue sheets. mix sets or radio sets that are around for download can be ripped off with single tracks using these cue sheets.

i wish people would stop and think twice before taking part in piracy. it would be a shame if it got to a point where we would have to pay huge membership fees to internet broadcasters jus to listen to our fav artists.

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Originally posted by TranceGrooves i wish people would stop and think twice before taking part in piracy. it would be a shame if it got to a point where we would have to pay huge membership fees to internet broadcasters jus to listen to our fav artists.

I'm sorry buddy, but RIAA and the like are just digging their own grave. It's incredible how they don't see that the more measures they take to "prevent" piracy by punishing and restricting their legit users, the more they're facilitating piracy in the first place. With each new restriction they enforce on buying music, they do more harm to legit users than to the pirates (the effect of DRM on piracy was zero, but it inconvenienced soo many people who actually bought their music), which means more and more users who will jump from legal to illegal because they cannot stand how the rights they have to the music they bought are shrinking with each new limitation. They're blindly alienating the very same user base they're trying so hard to control.

Same thing here. Yeah, the artists will temporarily get more income from online radio when the new rates come into effect, but it's just going to eventually force the stations to shut down. You can pretty much guess what is most likely to happen next - more piracy. I'm sure the artists will be gleeful over all the extra income that will bring them.

And so, I'm anxiously awaiting the day when RIAA and the whole shebang collapses on itself. They can bang their head against the wall all they like, but piracy, like the drug and sex trade, is here to stay. I don't think for a minute that the creation of music will stop because there'll be no more RIAA. Music is an art, not a business. If anything, it just means there won't be any more well-marketed and fully-fabricated "musicians" like the Britney Spears and the Avril Lavigne. And good riddance to that. Music will perservere, retarded corruption and rights-fascism will not.

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Originally posted by TranceGrooves it would be a shame if it got to a point where we would have to pay huge membership fees to internet broadcasters jus to listen to our fav artists.

i'm not sure if this will ever happen

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Music is an art, not a business. If anything, it just means there won't be any more well-marketed and fully-fabricated "musicians" like the Britney Spears and the Avril Lavigne.

i completely agree, the internet is forcing a complete democratization of music for music's sake. instead of britneyspearsforums.com, we have niche sites like TA (for example) pushing the boundaries of musical tastes. instead of being prefed fabricated music, hopefully in years to come, the people will speak, and we have real artists getting recognized by the people.


it's happening right now as we speak, in other forms of media. take news for example. instead of watching 'fabricated' news shows on tv (eg. cnn), user created/voted news sites like digg.com and del.icio.us are exploding in popularity. Do i watch TV (fabricated) news now? hell no. but i do check Digg.com religiously every day.

There needs to be a better system to promote and expose true musicians.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 This is just a ploy by the big labels IMO to put the independent broadcasters out of business so that they will control even more of what you listen to and how it's delivered.

EXACTLY what it is

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im not back i just simply had to input on a topic thats very very important to me.

following this logic, i guess you were never really here then?

the riaa would be trying to control the industry to the same extent regardless of the level of piracy, its in their best interest either way

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Originally posted by Porky i completely agree, the internet is forcing a complete democratization of music for music's sake. instead of britneyspearsforums.com, we have niche sites like TA (for example) pushing the boundaries of musical tastes. instead of being prefed fabricated music, hopefully in years to come, the people will speak, and we have real artists getting recognized by the people. it's happening right now as we speak, in other forms of media. take news for example. instead of watching 'fabricated' news shows on tv (eg. cnn), user created/voted news sites like digg.com and del.icio.us are exploding in popularity. Do i watch TV (fabricated) news now? hell no. but i do check Digg.com religiously every day. There needs to be a better system to promote and expose true musicians.

so everyone has their own forum. If they arent getting paid they wont for long. What people dont understand is that music is a business and HAS to be a business in order to survive. No money means no production. How can you produce when you have to make ends meet by working at Starbucks??

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

What needs to happen here is the record labels need to figure out how to make money without being protectionary or trying to keep the marketplace from changing at the speed it is.

These guys have no understanding of the cutomer or the digital space. It's quite sad really. Do you have any idea how much money goes to the record label from a download sold on iTunes or any other digital provider? It's the vast majority of that $0.99 - believe me.

Monetization for artists and labels will and should come in the way of touring, merchandising, alternate digital deliveries (ring tones, etc.), and as some might say - third party promotional deals. Not through P2P or streaming content. Music has become a commodity, and this meanst that the money available from selling albums is rapidly disappearing. The music landscape is changing, and it's time these labels woke up to it. I'm guessing we'll witness the death of one of the majors in the very near futre.

And as for the RIAA - they can continue to sue college students, grandparents, children and the mentally challenged. We'll see how far this gets them in the customer's eyes.

The customer should and will make the ultimate decisions when it comes to paying for music. Punishing customers and those that provide the music is not the way to go.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 so everyone has their own forum. If they arent getting paid they wont for long. What people dont understand is that music is a business and HAS to be a business in order to survive. No money means no production. How can you produce when you have to make ends meet by working at Starbucks??

there has to be some better way i agree.

but consider this. if your music really sucks you don't deserve to be paid anyways, which goes for alot of artists today. but if you really are talented, people will find a way to seek you out, attend your gigs and support you that way.

i remember reading about when Tiesto first started in the late 90s. he never started getting gigs until he started producing. when ppl recognized his songs (gouryella, kamaya painters, alibi... ) they started going to his shows, which may not be alot at first but i'm sure he makes a pretty penny now from his 'concerts'.

the same artists who are crying wolf online today about not making money are probably the same ones who produce crap anyways. and alot of the edm artists who are successful and play to huge crowds, should realize the value of the internet, which helped proliferate their music in the first place.

i never really started listening to edm until 1999 when i downloaded pvd's Tell Me Why from napster. who knows how long i would have been listening to other kinds of music.

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