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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Oh no, not at all. PNAC simply doesn't exist lol.

Your cynicism is exceeded only by your ignorance (tried to find a nicer word but come on...).

1) They are British Forces.

2) It's to a UN mandate.

This has nothing to do with the origional Iraq war.... thats been and gone.

Unless you are suggesting the US deliberatly messed with the GPS to put them off course to get them caught?!?

Have you seen what this has done to the oil price?

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Originally posted by Dervish Your cynicism is exceeded only by your ignorance (tried to find a nicer word but come on...). 1) They are British Forces. 2) It's to a UN mandate. This has nothing to do with the origional Iraq war.... thats been and gone. Unless you are suggesting the US deliberatly messed with the GPS to put them off course to get them caught?!? Have you seen what this has done to the oil price?

+1

Thank you for that bit of SANITY.

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Originally posted by Dervish Your cynicism is exceeded only by your ignorance (tried to find a nicer word but come on...).

No, I don't think so. I just choose to think criticially.

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Originally posted by Dervish 1) They are British Forces.

Yes, US allies in the Iraq invasion and the "War on Terror" who're beding to the will of US policy makers (and share a similar vision to an extent too), so I'd hardly think that qualifies as much of a distinction.

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Originally posted by Dervish 2) It's to a UN mandate.

So? How many UN mandates or international laws/treaties are respected by the main Western states in question here? Parhaps you're also forgetting how often resolutions are vetoed by guess who.

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Originally posted by Dervish This has nothing to do with the origional Iraq war.... thats been and gone.

No, more like this and the invasion of Iraq are peices of a bigger picture, that's really not hard to conclude based on merberships and publicly available documents of the current US administraion and it's supporters, who aren't limited to the US btw.

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Originally posted by Dervish Unless you are suggesting the US deliberatly messed with the GPS to put them off course to get them caught?!?

Why not? It certainly compliments policies derivative of a doctrine only enforcable through coercion and warfare.

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Originally posted by Dervish Have you seen what this has done to the oil price?

A rise in oil prices doesn't necessarily hurt long term profits or market share of multinational corporations.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by Krypton +1 Thank you for that bit of SANITY.

-1 for zero content.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z LOL, an excellent example of double speak. Who's invading soverign nations right now, entering their airspace/waters, and/or militarily occupying nations while transfering over control of their resources to multinational corporations? Haha! Dumbass .

Weak arguement.

The invasion of Iraq has nothing to deal with this.

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Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan Weak arguement. The invasion of Iraq has nothing to deal with this.

Ludicrous assertion, ignorance of evidence in plain sight.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z

Look in whole I can side with you to an extent, the run upto the war was filled with some astonishingly duplicitous methods, illegal methods even of creating "intelligence" for us Joe Public to sign upto it.

But is this another example of this? I don't think so.

Was the action taken by the Iranians legal? Remains to be seen in sense that it is possible the UK boats were in the wrong place. But given the position (by that I mean area) and modern technology I think it's unlikely.... but not impossible.

It's difficult to judge at this point, but what I can confidently say is that it wasn't the intention of the UK fores to be in Iranian waters.

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This water was long-disputed territory, and depending on who's map you're going by, they may / may not have been in Iranian waters. The Iranians will no doubt go by their maps.

This was the same disputed waterway that was part of the reason Saddam invaded Iran in the 80's.

I don't know about this one. I think it's a case of a mistake in navigation combined with the Iranians looking at a different version of the same map, and they're just defending their sovereign waters. Sure, they could've just politely informed the Royal Marines of this error, and talked about it over tea, and everyone go their seperate ways....but given the tensions created by both sides in this whole regional shitshow, it's understandable the Marines would be detained for a while to make sure the incident made the press.

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Originally posted by Dervish Look in whole I can side with you to an extent, the run upto the war was filled with some astonishingly duplicitous methods, illegal methods even of creating "intelligence" for us Joe Public to sign upto it. But is this another example of this? I don't think so. Was the action taken by the Iranians legal? Remains to be seen in sense that it is possible the UK boats were in the wrong place. But given the position (by that I mean area) and modern technology I think it's unlikely.... but not impossible. It's difficult to judge at this point, but what I can confidently say is that it wasn't the intention of the UK fores to be in Iranian waters.

It's cool, nothing taken personaly on my end. Although I'm curious about your last statement. What makes you so confident about UK's intentions?

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

i wonder if Iran will parade the hostages around blindfolded on video tape again like they did the Brits in 2004?

if this is about anything other than sovereign water space then the Mullahs are about as petty as they claim Israel to be.

i think it was a mistake that Iran capitalized on and turned into a lame ass propoganda stunt to try to get the people all 'nationalized'. they are preparing for war and pulling stunts that are pretty standard in history. Lusitania anyone?

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