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What was changed in the main room for sound?

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Originally posted by RobertStern What was changed in the main room for sound?

Seemed 3x as loud the night BT was there, my left ear is still ringing even though I had foam earplugs in the whole time...not sure it's safe to go there anymore

Anyone else notice this, or maybe it's just me?

Also, anyone know what the LED's in the back room equipment panel are for? There were 3 of them, one was at 118, the second was 122-123, and the third was 119-120...first time I've seen them go over 120 before.

If those are decibel readings, then we're seriously screwed...

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...12&pagenumber=3

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Last edited by in2muzikk on Mar-28-2007 at 06:27

Bodies absorb sound. I wonder if it sounds louder because it's not as packed as it was when Spundae was there. Or did Circus update their sound system?

they moved around some speakers and tweaked them.

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Originally posted by in2muzikk Seemed 3x as loud the night BT was there, my left ear is still ringing even though I had foam earplugs in the whole time...not sure it's safe to go there anymore

it was pretty loud for me too. i stayed near the front stage, but surprisingly no ringing in the ear even though i forgot my plugs! i left a little after BT got on stage though, so that could be the reason.

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Originally posted by in2muzikk Seemed 3x as loud the night BT was there, my left ear is still ringing even though I had foam earplugs in the whole time...not sure it's safe to go there anymore Anyone else notice this, or maybe it's just me? Also, anyone know what the LED's in the back room equipment panel are for? There were 3 of them, one was at 118, the second was 122-123, and the third was 119-120...first time I've seen them go over 120 before. If those are decibel readings, then we're seriously screwed... http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...12&pagenumber=3

Negative.

Those are voltage readings of the 3 'phases' of power that get used on high end power applications.

be learned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-phase_electric_power

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Originally posted by CReddick Negative. Those are voltage readings of the 3 'phases' of power that get used on high end power applications. be learned. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-phase_electric_power

hey, thanks...I knew there was a reason that I flunked Engineering!

so, I still wonder what the SPL (sound pressure level) is at Circus with the new setup? I read that Berkley is the only city in California which requires warning signs to be displayed for clubs that exceed 95db. San Francisco passed a law that any club with more than 500 people sell earplugs "at a reasonable price." Here in LA, apparently we have no laws except for OSHA guidelines that apply only to the staff:

{source: http://www.hearnet.com/features/art...e_EdWclub.shtml}

All the clubs surveyed {year 2000, in SF} are in violation of California Occupational Safety and Health Administration (CAL-OSHA) regulations on workplace noise. The law, which mimics the Federal OSHA rules, requires employees working in sound levels over 85 dB wear ear protection, be given regular hearing exams, and be provided with an employer-sponsored hearing loss education program. The law also requires warning signs be posted in areas where ear protection is required.

But CAL-OSHA does not spot check nightclubs. It only responds to complaints from workers. CAL-OSHA spokesman, Dean Fryer, says his agency doesn't have the resources to routinely monitor dance clubs but he says CAL-OSHA investigates all employee complaints and any club employee can file a complaint anonymously. Fryer adds the law prohibits employers from firing or taking punitive action against an employee for filing a complaint.

National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) guidelines say exposure to the Sound Factory's average decibel level of 105 for more than 4 minutes, 43 seconds a day without ear protection is a serious risk to hearing. NIOSH recommends that any workers exposed to levels over 100 dB wear both earplugs and earmuffs simultaneously. The quietest club surveyed, Holy Cow, averaged a relatively tame 94 dB but NIOSH says unprotected exposure even at that level for more than an hour a day could be dangerous. At 103 dB, Release, which meets Saturday nights at the club space on 1015 Folsom Street, falls between the two extremes. NIOSH recommends unprotected exposure at that level be limited to 7 minutes, 30 seconds a day.

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hmmm...next time you see a bartender wearing both earplugs & earmuffs, just let me know...

I guess moral of the story is that earplugs help, but if the sound is too intense (and it's difficult to tell since there are no laws or regulations), then they might not be enough to prevent hearing damage.

I'm thinkin' about getting together a TA group to promote safe sound levels, and then asking Hearnet.com if they'd like to partner with us. With a little cooperation from the clubs (which may or may not be easy), we could measure the SPL at some of the popular clubs around here and then know for sure if they're really harmful or not.

Seems that the clubs might be interested in helping out...after all, if most of their customers go deaf, then there probably wouldn't be anybody there anymore. If not, guess it's time to hit up any bartenders who have been complaining about ringing in their ears...

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Originally posted by in2muzikk hey, thanks...I knew there was a reason that I flunked Engineering!

No problem I got straight A's in Super Nerdy Telecommunications.

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Originally posted by in2muzikk I'm thinkin' about getting together a TA group to promote safe sound levels, and then asking Hearnet.com if they'd like to partner with us.

I'm in!

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Originally posted by CReddick I'm in!

Kewl, I'll leave this up for anyone else who's interested, then will plan on contacting Hearnet end of week and start a new thread (too tired to deal with that tonight). If any clubs want to volunteer for SPL testing, that would also be great.

We could even do a TA Save Our Ears group meetup once in awhile, maybe someplace like the Yard House, no reason this can't be fun as well. I believe that our hearing is too important not to get the facts on this!

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Originally posted by in2muzikk Kewl, I'll leave this up for anyone else who's interested, then will plan on contacting Hearnet end of week and start a new thread (too tired to deal with that tonight). If any clubs want to volunteer for SPL testing, that would also be great. We could even do a TA Save Our Ears group meetup once in awhile, maybe someplace like the Yard House, no reason this can't be fun as well. I believe that our hearing is too important not to get the facts on this!

New thread a must.

I honestly don't think any club will want to participate in open testing. its obvious they don't do anything at safe SPL levels... nor will they want the 'bad press' or 'proof' that theyre doing something wrong. the best thing to do is educate the people who are going out. Kinda like HIV. we can't stop it, but we can help prevent the damage. this is my opinion.

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