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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN yep, you tuck your tail between your legs and run.

my cock is still longer then me tail

Carl Wunsch post-documentary:

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When approached by WAGTV, on behalf of Channel 4, known to me as one of the main UK independent broadcasters, I was led to believe that I would be given an opportunity to explain why I, like some others, find the statements at both extremes of the global change debate distasteful. I am, after all a teacher, and this seemed like a good opportunity to explain why, for example, I thought more attention should be paid to sea level rise, which is ongoing and unstoppable and carries a real threat of acceleration, than to the unsupportable claims that the ocean circulation was undergoing shutdown (Nature, December 2005). I wanted to explain why observing the ocean was so difficult, and why it is so tricky to predict with any degree of confidence such important climate elements as its heat and carbon storage and transports in 10 or 100 years. I am distrustful of prediction scenarios for details of the ocean circulation that rely on extremely complicated coupled models that run out for decades to thousands of years. The science is not sufficiently mature to say which of the many complex elements of such forecasts are skillful. Nonetheless, and contrary to the impression given in the film, I firmly believe there is a great deal to be learned from models. With effort, all of this is explicable in terms the public can understand. In the part of the "Swindle" film where I am describing the fact that the ocean tends to expel carbon dioxide where it is warm, and to absorb it where it is cold, my intent was to explain that warming the ocean could be dangerous---because it is such a gigantic reservoir of carbon. By its placement in the film, it appears that I am saying that since carbon dioxide exists in the ocean in such large quantities, human influence must not be very important --- diametrically opposite to the point I was making --- which is that global warming is both real and threatening in many different ways, some unexpected. Many of us feel an obligation to talk to the media---it's part of our role as scientists, citizens, and educators. The subjects are complicated, and it is easy to be misquoted or quoted out context. My experience in the past is that these things do happen, but usually inadvertently --- most reporters really do want to get it right. Channel 4 now says they were making a film in a series of "polemics". There is nothing in the communication we had (much of it on the telephone or with the film crew on the day they were in Boston) that suggested they were making a film that was one-sided, anti-educational, and misleading. I took them at face value---clearly a great error. I knew I had no control over the actual content, but it never occurred to me that I was dealing with people who already had a reputation for distortion and exaggeration. The letter I sent them as soon as I heard about the actual program is below. [available here] As a society, we need to take out insurance against catastrophe in the same way we take out homeowner's protection against fire. I buy fire insurance, but I also take the precaution of having the wiring in the house checked, keeping the heating system up to date, etc., all the while hoping that I won't need the insurance. Will any of these precautions work? Unexpected things still happen (lightning strike? plumber's torch igniting the woodwork?). How large a fire insurance premium is it worth paying? How much is it worth paying for rewiring the house? $10,000 but perhaps not $100,000? There are no simple answers even at this mundane level. How much is it worth to society to restrain CO2 emissions --- will that guarantee protection against global warming? Is it sensible to subsidize insurance for people who wish to build in regions strongly susceptible to coastal flooding? These and others are truly complicated questions where often the science is not mature enough give definitive answers, much as we would like to be able to provide them. Scientifically, we can recognize the reality of the threat, and much of what society needs to insure against. Statements of concern do not need to imply that we have all the answers. Channel 4 had an opportunity to elucidate some of this. The outcome is sad.

COR version: "Thats not what I said. WAGTV sucks."

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pkc, this isnt pdd..... you cant rationalize with the cor.... it returns "warning does not compute.... divide by zero..... bad command of file name"

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I have 3 hobbies: gaming, DJing & correcting maladjusted fools on the internet.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, I’d like to know what horrible, scarring incident in your childhood turned you into such an ignorant, intellectual-hating philistine?

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp pkc, this isnt pdd..... you cant rationalize with the cor.... it returns "warning does not compute.... divide by zero..... bad command of file name"

exactly im not here to argue or debate. if i want to debate ill join the debate team. im here for fun and sexy times

Wait, Eric, are you kidding or are you serious?

I understand BTG was joking, and I could understand if you did the same, but lately it's seemed to me that people in North America do believe this was not caused by us, and that's what scares me the most...

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bottom line is our dependance on fossil fuels is upsetting the carbon cycle by adding carbon to the system that was burried millions of years ago

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I have 3 hobbies: gaming, DJing & correcting maladjusted fools on the internet.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, I’d like to know what horrible, scarring incident in your childhood turned you into such an ignorant, intellectual-hating philistine?

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Originally posted by Lira Wait, Eric, are you kidding or are you serious? I understand BTG was joking, and I could understand if you did the same, but lately it's seemed to me that people in North America do believe this was not caused by us, and that's what scares me the most...

i dont believe it 100% but i listen/watch/read everything with an open mind. I like getting both cases before i make a decision with anything. And what some research has taught me is that don't always believe what is fed to the mass public, the public loves to dance to the kansas city shuffle

Godamn, son of a bitch. I dont care about no body else. Ima gonna burn some fossel fuels n shit. Damn. im gonna drink a block in my truck, run out of fuel, then fill her up again & drive & another block. Fuck the atmosphere. So what if we only got one planet, I only live on it for 70 odd years out of the 100000000000000 the planet lives for. if I wanna fuck it up in 70 years, then it is my god damn right son of a bitch. Fuck those next generational pollution breathing mutant ******s, they can wither under the heat coming through that there hole in the oooo zoney layer thingy for all I care. Hell, imma gonna hopefully make 3 more of those there holes by the time I die. yeeeehaaaa!! screw hybrid cars, screw hydro technology, bring me that there fossel fuel & ill burn it yeeehaaa!!! Give me a big arse car. I dont need it, but give it here anyway yeeeeehhaaaaa!!! hahahaha big arse car yeeeeehaaaaa!! CO2 coming out the back n shit. god damn son of a bitch, that CO2 shit grows hairs on my doodles head.

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Originally posted by Xenocreator_PG_ Godamn, son of a bitch. I dont care about no body else. Ima gonna burn some fossel fuels n shit. Damn. im gonna drink a block in my truck, run out of fuel, then fill her up again & drive & another block. Fuck the atmosphere. So what if we only got one planet, I only live on it for 70 odd years out of the 100000000000000 the planet lives for. if I wanna fuck it up in 70 years, then it is my god damn right son of a bitch. Fuck those next generational pollution breathing mutant ******s, they can wither under the heat coming through that there hole in the oooo zoney layer thingy for all I care. Hell, imma gonna hopefully make 3 more of those there holes by the time I die. yeeeehaaaa!! screw hybrid cars, screw hydro technology, bring me that there fossel fuel & ill burn it yeeehaaa!!! Give me a big arse car. I dont need it, but give it here anyway yeeeeehhaaaaa!!! hahahaha big arse car yeeeeehaaaaa!! CO2 coming out the back n shit. god damn son of a bitch, that CO2 shit grows hairs on my doodles head.

you watched the whole thing!

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy i dont believe it 100% but i listen/watch/read everything with an open mind. I like getting both cases before i make a decision with anything. And what some research has taught me is that don't always believe what is fed to the mass public.

Although I do understand the advantages of scepticism, it makes me wonder: even if humans were not the major cause behind it, what would the drawback be if we became environment friendly?

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Originally posted by Lira Although I do understand the advantages of scepticism, it makes me wonder: even if humans were not the major cause behind it, what would the drawback be if we became environment friendly?

oh there is none. i just posted that link because it had quite a few good cases defending its point. I thought i'd share. I didnt think i was going to get flamed for it and people want to get into a huge debate with me over it. i Just thought some points were intresting enough to share.