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Originally posted by _EuG_ So who exactly predertermines our lives for us??? and what is the reason behind each choice? and are other animals (speices) also living a predertermained life or is it just us??

good point, i have no clue and im sure no one does 'if' thats what you believe

i wrote above that i believe life is only semi-predetermined with many 'side' paths available to jump on

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Originally posted by PurpleHaze good point, i have no clue and im sure no one does 'if' thats what you believe i wrote above that i believe life is only semi-predetermined with many 'side' paths available to jump on

We are just humans that live on this planet, which is also inhibited by thousands of other species and I am sure other planets have billions of other species as well. So what makes you think that we are important enough to have our lives pre-determined for us by "someone".

Only thing that isn't your choice is who your family is, where you're born. The rest of life is choices.

Maybe not when your born, but the point where you can make your first decision and remember it later on in life. That's what you control.

(ie. you don't remember shit from when you were two years old, can't say you controlled much of your life at that point)

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Originally posted by _EuG_ We are just humans that live on this planet, which is also inhibited by thousands of other species and I am sure other planets have billions of other species as well. So what makes you think that we are important enough to have our lives pre-determined for us by "someone".

for me at least, i wasn't talking about just people, but every single thing in the universe, boiled right down to the reactions of the tiniest particles. no one has some subjective image about what things will be like.. i don't think the universe, 'the watchmaker', or God if that's your thing has any distinction right now between you right now and the chair you're sitting in, or the whole planet for that matter, we only are able to see those differences through our consciousness.

Hahah, this thread is going to be full of arguing without any possibility of proof from either side.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Hahah, this thread is going to be full of arguing without any possibility of proof from either side.

GOD LIKES PALESTINE BETTER THAN ISRAEL LOL

God gave every person the same, and only one, gift. Free Will!

The only thing that is ever pre-determined is death.

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I believe they are concepts that a human mind can't understand/explain. Life can be predetermind or not But one thing for sure we don have the ability to prove.
Our logics can be false or true but since there's no proof to it everything is possible.

Bottomline I think the best way to deal with this kind of questions is to never consider them. Cause every point that you bring up can lead to a dead end.

God doesn’t exist; religion is just a fairy tail that is told to keep people in order.





Let the flaming and arguing begin!!!!

According to Islam :-


Islam emphasizes on the issue of responsibility and accountability of human beings--each person is responsible for his or her own actions. Although Islam teaches that God has predetermined the span of our life and the time of our death, it does not mean that even our actions are predetermined by Him.

We surely are free in our actions and are, therefore, accountable for them. God only provides guidance for us to know what is good and what is bad. He says, "We created man of a water-drop...Surely We guided him to the right way--now whether he (follows it and) be grateful or (goes astray and) be ungrateful is up to him." (Qur'an: chp. 76, verse 3).

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Originally posted by _EuG_ God doesn’t exist; religion is just a fairy tail that is told to keep people in order. Let the flaming and arguing begin!!!!

+1...haha

God is just there for those who are lost on their path to and need someone to help guide them...

an yeah, I don't believe life is pre-determined. There are just so many different factors and variables that effect our day to day life that it would literally be impossible for a higher power to pre-determine something as sophisticated as our lives...

Fate however, is a different story...

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Originally posted by extacy_bomb I believe they are concepts that a human mind can't understand/explain. Life can be predetermind or not But one thing for sure we don have the ability to prove. Our logics can be false or true but since there's no proof to it everything is possible. Bottomline I think the best way to deal with this kind of questions is to never consider them. Cause every point that you bring up can lead to a dead end.

Even though your English needs some serious work - I understand what you're saying, and I agree.

We spend way too much time on trying to reason with things we don't have the capabilities to understand yet. Having said that, you're not going to hear anything new, no explanations that haven't been explored yet.

"Perhaps we are looking at this from a wrong perspective; this search for the truth, the meaning of life, the reason of God. We all have this mindset that the answers are so complex and so vast that it is almost impossible to comprehend. I think, on the contrary,
that the answers are so simple; so simple that it is staring us straight in the face, screaming its lungs out, and yet we fail to notice it. We're looking through a telescope, searching the stars for the answer, when the answer is actually a speck of dirt on the
telescope lens."