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Originally posted by NeoPhono I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to prove. A holiday has as much meaning as what you put into it. If you celebrate easter as a Christian holiday, then that is exactly what it is. What the day was before it was celebrated as easter has nothing to do with what is being observed now. July 4th, 836 was Pactum Sicardi, designating peace between the Principality of Benevento and the Duchy of Naples. Does that mean Americans aren't really celebrating their independence on the July 4th holiday? May 1st (May Day) has all sorts of different meanings to different people. In the end a holiday is what you see it as, not what it is seen as by others or by those in the past.

Right, and Pactum Sicardi wasn't assimilated into "Americanism" to make "Americanism" more marketable and easier to 'accept' for the original European colonists. So, no offense, but your logic is absolutely flawed and ridiculous. That analogy doesn't hold any water.

EDIT: Spelling.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Right, and Pactum Sicardi wasn't assimilated into "Americanism" to make "Americanism" more marketable and easier to 'accept' for the original European colonists. So, no offense, but your logic is absolutely flawed and ridiculous. That analogy doesn't hold any water. EDIT: Spelling.

and your religion was started by a raving mad man so whats your point??? This thread started out as Happy Holiday Thread and you come in with your anti-christian/anti american B.S. No one asked about the start of Easter or if it was christian, so take your wares and peddle them some where else ....

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Originally posted by LazFX and your religion was started by a raving mad man so whats your point??? This thread started out as Happy Holiday Thread and you come in with your anti-christian/anti american B.S. No one asked about the start of Easter or if it was christian, so take your wares and peddle them some where else burn boy ....

LOL, no you fucking idiot. There's nothing "anti-American" or "anti-Christian" about what I just said. Infact, it was something pointed out to me by Christians who actually know what the fuck they're talking about unlike an ignorant fool such as yourself. So you can cram your simplistic jock take on this up your ass dickhead. Now go fuck yourself .

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z LOL, no you fucking idiot. There's nothing "anti-American" or "anti-Christian" about what I just said, infact, it was something pointed out to me by Christians who actually know what the fuck they're talking about unlike an ignorant fool such as yourself. So you can cram your simplistic jock take on this up your ass dickhead. Now go fuck yourself .

simplistic jock take??? oh I like that... really I do..... you are so educated and so well rounded...and you speak so well too!

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Originally posted by LazFX simplistic jock take??? oh I like that... really I do..... you are so educated and so well rounded...and you speak so well too!

LOL, stop verbalizing and making idiotic assumptions, and stop messing with me all the time and I'll have no reason to treat you harshly. At this point, you deserve it so it doesn't really bother my conscience.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z LOL, stop verbalizing and making idiotic assumptions, and stop messing with me all the time and I'll have no reason to treat you harshly. At this point, you deserve it so it doesn't really bother my conscience.

geeee thanks dad. can I use the car tonight??

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Originally posted by LazFX geeee thanks dad. can I use the car tonight??

LOL. my car got wrecked, engine locked, and stereo jacked. So no! But I do have a Honda CB600F now if you've got a licsence for a bike son .

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

Actually, Christian holidays appearing on old Pagan days were not to make them more palatable or accepted, but to allow them to be celebrated in the first place. "Back in the day," when Christianity first started, they were persecuted severely for their beliefs. They realized that if they chose to celebrate on days already being celebrated by the masses, they would be able to "blend in" much better while still celebrating their own beliefs. The original thought behind celebrating Christian holidays on Pagan ones was exactly the opposite of making them more mainstream, it was to keep Christian holidays as low key as possible.

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Originally posted by Shakka I got the day off, along with millions of others. However, I know there are many who don't get the day off, and to them I say, suck it bitches! I think there should be a poll of how many people take the day off for Good Friday vs. how many take the day off for MLK Day.

I don't get MLK Day off either. Sucks!

Cheers to everyone

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Actually, Christian holidays appearing on old Pagan days were not to make them more palatable or accepted, but to allow them to be celebrated in the first place. "Back in the day," when Christianity first started, they were persecuted severely for their beliefs. They realized that if they chose to celebrate on days already being celebrated by the masses, they would be able to "blend in" much better while still celebrating their own beliefs. The original thought behind celebrating Christian holidays on Pagan ones was exactly the opposite of making them more mainstream, it was to keep Christian holidays as low key as possible.

Now that's a good argument, not that I agree with it. But I hope I didn't rub you the wrong way Neo .

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Now that's a good argument, not that I agree with it. But I hope I didn't rub you the wrong way Neo .

Nah...you didn't. I honestly don't care one way or the other as far as holidays go. I just thought I'd bring in another view on the correlation between past and present holidays.