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Originally posted by stan229 i currently have that soundcard that i use just for regular listening and its great compared to my other POS.. and it does have multiple outputs and even digital and coax out so now im thinkin of maybe picking myself up a real mixer instead of a midi controller because i was going to use it with traktor anyway edit: wouldnt one also need a midi controller too? to do fine pitch adjustments and what not or was it possible to rock a set with a mouse/touchpad?

if you're only going to use traktor, why get a real mixer instead of a midi controller? almost everything you can do with a mixer is a feature of traktor, which can be controlled externally with a midi controller.

for example, i bought the m-audio x-session pro to give me this mixer-like hands-on control for traktor. i am now thinking of getting a mixer too but only because i also want to get cdjs. my idea is to have at least 3 channels - 2 for the cdjs and one for traktor, which would additionally be controlled by the x-session pro. however, if you do something like that, you're better off getting the evolution x-session instead of the x-session pro because it has more knobs and buttons, which would be more useful to you (effects, other interesting traktor controls) than faders, which you would already have on your real mixer.

and it may be possible to rock a set with only a mouse, but imo it does not feel natural and is definitely not as fun as some good old mixer-like controls

both the x-session pro and evolution x-session go for around $100 online

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The mixer in Traktor might have more features than an external mixer being used. It would pay to use the Midi controller with Traktor's mixer, rather than using a external mixer with less features...

Which Midi Controllers would you guys suggest are the best to use instead of a regular external mixer?

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Which Midi Controllers would you guys suggest are the best to use instead of a regular external mixer?

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I have an Emu X-Board 49 keyboard...it has 16 knobs + pitch bend and modulation wheel...

which is quite fair for ableton (if you can do your mapping effectively)...I've tried mixing in traktor with it and it was ok too...you just have to think about it...

and btw...I love having 49 keys...for example I use 12 for triggering loops and the other for improvising synthlines over my set or something...sometimes I use them for the effects bypass switch etc...

I don't know...if you're into producing you might be better off getting a keyboard like me...

if you aren't then anything with as much knobs/sliders possible is the best
Also the feel of the controls is kinda important... :-)

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Originally posted by llavoe The mixer in Traktor might have more features than an external mixer being used. It would pay to use the Midi controller with Traktor's mixer, rather than using a external mixer with less features...

I agree. Using an M-Audio (originally Evolution before they were bought out) X-Session old style. The new X-Session Pro is similar but has a layout more for 4 channels. For $100 either one is a very good value, anything else will cost you at least $300. There are a lot of controllers coming out now including from Numark, Vestax, A&H, etc, they are all bigger heavier and some cost well over $1000. At the higher prices a mixer should be considered too, but for lower cost and portability a Midi controller is great.

To reiterate and add on to what tvmann and BOOsTER said, you should get a controller with as much knobs and sliders as possible (don't worry about it having buttons - you already have a whole laptop keyboard for that) but also depending on your preferences, you should carefully consider the layout as well. I started out with the m-audio x-session pro:


and it served me very well as my first controller for traktor, until I mastered the basic skills of beatmatching/eq-ing.

Now as I start thinking about adding more layers of sophistication to my mixes, an x-session like tvmann's would be of more use to me, but only if I combine it with a real mixer to give me that classic layout. Otherwise, it is still possible to DJ with only an x-session even though its layout is not that of a classic mixer, but you have to be good at coming up with a control mapping that you will be comfortable with and remember easily.

Or, you can try to get both the x-session and the x-session pro
...which raises the question - does anyone know / has anyone tried using 2 or more MIDI controllers simultaneously with Traktor/Ableton??

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haven't tried to use 2 yet, but it is in the works, I am going to have a buddy of mine bring over a second x-session to mine and see if I can get them both working.

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do you use and external hdd with that setup?

I think using two controllers should not be a problem at all...that's what midi was built for...(sort of)

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Originally posted by llavoe do you use and external hdd with that setup?

No - just the internal 60 GB 4200 rpm - which is fast enough but it is now full. Time to get rid of some tracks, and I'm looking at new replacement drives - like a 5400 rpm 120 or 160 GB. I like the portability of all music in the notebook, but others like to use an external drive.

I've used just for quick tests a 2.5" external USB drive (USB powered 4200 rpm), and a regular (AC power supply type) USB 7200 rpm drive. Both worked with Traktor and were easy to set up.