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DJ Shibby
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Does it matter if it's nature or nurture? Especially since it's most likely both.

I am truly surprised that the pharmaceutical companies haven't come up with a superdrug to make everything all right.

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HardTranceProd
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Does it matter if it's nature or nurture?


Of course it matters. Don't you want to understand the scientific origin of this behavior, if you want to prevent it?

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DJ Shibby
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Of course it matters. Don't you want to understand the scientific origin of this behavior, if you want to prevent it?


Unfortunately, the realm of psychology is far beyond our current grasp of "scientific" empiricism.

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HardTranceProd
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Unfortunately, the realm of psychology is far beyond our current grasp of "scientific" empiricism.


Psychology is rooted in evolution and science.
Maybe you haven't been following the latest research, in which case it would behoove you to educate yourself.

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DJ Shibby
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Psychology is rooted in evolution and science.
Maybe you haven't been following the latest research, in which case it would behoove you to educate yourself.


Psychology is rooted in environment, evolution, and a number of symbiotic systems working together, whether it be the pharmacodynamics of the individuals intake, bacteria, the stresses of living in a 9-5 world, etc. Oh right... that would be ENVIRONMENT, in a sense.

I see you have a lot of faith in science, which is completely fine and understandable.

But honestly, I wouldn't use pretentious words like "behoove" when telling someone to educate themselves, in the unlikely event that they call you on your bullshit.

I'm sure you've got no idea what a receptor or a binder is or does, or the interacting physiology that makes up a life and consciousness, but I can assure you that even our best strides in studying the empirical data available using scientific method is sketchy.

That's why we know vague natural biosynthesis routes of certain compounds, and make assumptions thereof. For example, if you just dropped a tab of E, you probably wouldn't want to drink alcohol since they both end up being metabolized by the same enzyme in the liver (in this case, *from what we know*, cytochrome p450). But what about all the enzymes and interactions we can't account for?

Which in itself backs up the environmental aspects of many facets of psychology. These are bundles of organisms that may exist independent of the individual depending on their internal and external climate. Different bacteria favor different symbiosis, which in turn could lead to a lot of minute changes that are unknown to us. Even the DNA layers we've found, and not even decoded, probably contain subcode that we can't even detect yet. And keep in mind that DNA is NOT static; it is a dynamic force that is subject to polymorphism and protein binding, and not necessarily only in "random" fashions. That doesn't mean I wouldn't worry if I was the one with the trigger sequence.

Anyway, since science appears to be your favorite religion (well, hey, it's one of the better choices you've got in the aftermath of the Greek logicbombs.)... you've probably seen this already, but if not, I'd behoove you to check it out. It's the latest research () and might help fill in the gaps with an example.

http://www.newscientist.com/channel...-precision.html

So there we have an external organism becoming an internal "feature", and even going so far as to somehow melt the obvious "right" and "wrong" chip in the rats brain.

oh and check this out too... it clearly sets one of many examples of how genealogy relates to psychology and can be triggered directly by events in the environment, which can include a person's thoughts. In their example it was a virus.

http://www.steungroep.nl/archief/st...sci20050723.txt

The reason we can't understand psychology through purely empirical means alone is that the human element, the life element, is not some clunky invention we've made. The universe made this shit, and it's designed to move, and that usually entails survival. Survival in a universe as crazy as this, with many factors to consider at all times, would require a GREAT deal of adaptability.

Both the environment, the consciousness of the animal, and their history, genetics in this case, would need to be adaptable for anything to even hope to survive, whether it be the individual or the species as a collective whole.

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