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MrSquirrel
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I saw an amazing documentary about the misogeny and violence in rap on PBS a couple of months ago.

It was one of the most interesting things I have seen in a long time. What was most interesting was the discussions of the history of rap and the fact that 20 years ago, hip hop was multifacted and was actually in many ways calling for positive change, but the message was lost when gangsta rap became popular and crossed over sales wise to the white suburban crowd.

I am trying to find a link to it but I cannot remember what series it was a part of and PBS has the hardest website to hunt around on if you don't know that.


Jesse Jackson used to have my respect before he started a crusade to get the 5 students who started a riot at a football game in Decatur, IL re-instated because he felt that the zero-tolerance policy of the district was 'racist'. A couple dozen people were seriously injured, and the video clearly showed that these kids knew what they were doing when they started the riot, but Jesse had been under the radar for a number of years and it was an easy way to get media attention.


Ok, going to find that show....

EDIT: http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/hiphop/film.htm

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Originally posted by MrSquirrel
It was one of the most interesting things I have seen in a long time. What was most interesting was the discussions of the history of rap and the fact that 20 years ago, hip hop was multifacted and was actually in many ways calling for positive change, but the message was lost when gangsta rap became popular and crossed over sales wise to the white suburban crowd.

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quote:
Originally posted by MrSquirrel
I saw an amazing documentary about the misogeny and violence in rap on PBS a couple of months ago.

It was one of the most interesting things I have seen in a long time. What was most interesting was the discussions of the history of rap and the fact that 20 years ago, hip hop was multifacted and was actually in many ways calling for positive change, but the message was lost when gangsta rap became popular and crossed over sales wise to the white suburban crowd.

I am trying to find a link to it but I cannot remember what series it was a part of and PBS has the hardest website to hunt around on if you don't know that.


Jesse Jackson used to have my respect before he started a crusade to get the 5 students who started a riot at a football game in Decatur, IL re-instated because he felt that the zero-tolerance policy of the district was 'racist'. A couple dozen people were seriously injured, and the video clearly showed that these kids knew what they were doing when they started the riot, but Jesse had been under the radar for a number of years and it was an easy way to get media attention.


Ok, going to find that show....

EDIT: http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/hiphop/film.htm

MrS


Saw the film man, it's greatly produced and nails the problem on the head. Good find.

Here's a link to it on G-video for anyone that wants to watch it.
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MisterOpus1
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That sports op-ed writer I told you about, Jason Whitlock, continues to make his rounds of bumping heads with Sharpton and Jackson. Needless to say, he's in some hot water for saying the things he's said (which IMO have nailed the issue right square between the eyes). The problem that Sharpton doesn't realize with Jason is, he doesn't know Jason very well. Jason can be extremely opinionated, and often times that opinion is way off base. But once he lays down an opinion, he does not back off at all. He's demonstrating it yet again with today's op-ed piece:

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Imus ‘fight’ is over money, fame
JASON WHITLOCK - The Kansas City Star

When I criticized his and Jesse Jackson’s irresponsible and divisive methods of seeking social justice Friday morning, Al Sharpton dismissed the attack by questioning my credibility to lodge a complaint.

“There are always guys that are not in the ring who want to call the fight,” Sharpton said. “You know that going in the ring; you’re going to have critics … You can’t satisfy people who are not in the ring.”

It’s a clever response. It ignores the obvious.

Jesse and Al don’t want anyone else in the ring. They’ve turned the fight for racial equality into a money and fame pit, a place to wrestle for camera time, “consulting” jobs and handshake deals that would make NCAA investigators blush in astonishment.

If people with a modicum of integrity were allowed in the ring and, more importantly, allowed to choose the opponents and the length of the battle, the money would run dry and Jesse and Al would be forced to look for real work.

Fighting bums is easy. Just look at what Jesse and Al James did to Don Imus, a washed-up, recovering drug addict. They knocked out Imus in a couple of rounds.

But at what cost, and what was the real purpose?

The young women on the Rutgers basketball team are now targets, the recipients of death threats and harassment, according to East Coast media reports.

I have no problem with young people engaging in battle and suffering severe consequences for a righteous cause. We need more of that. The people who really provided the energy for the civil rights movement were in college.

But getting in harm’s way over the ignorant utterances of a shock jock? Getting in harm’s way so a coach could have her moment to tell the world about the troubles she’s known? Getting in harm’s way so Al and Jesse James can flex their muscle by beating up another tomato can?

No way. It was irresponsible, self-indulgent and typical of the kind of domestic terrorism Sharpton and Jackson have come to specialize in.

Again, I am not defending Don Imus. I shed no tears over his comeuppance.

I simply question the motives of the people who pushed the hardest and shouted the loudest for Imus’ demise. Those people are now covering themselves with the fig leaf that they have a genuine interest in stopping the anti-black, women-objectifying language in rap music.

According to Sharpton, he’s been working on this issue for a number of years.

He’s clever. Fortunately, we’re not stupid. We just watched Jesse and Al sink their teeth in Imus’ rear end and not remove them until MSNBC and CBS put knives in Imus.

That tenacity and enthusiasm have been completely missing from their fight to clean up hip hop. Whether we like him or not, Minister Louis Farrakhan is the only leader with a consistent position on that issue. What we get from Jesse and Al are half-hearted public relations ploys, fights that end well before any blood is drawn. It’s a game, a game Jesse and Al have mastered.

You can create the appearance of putting up a fight, and that ensures no one else will enter the ring.

As an example, talk with black race-car drivers about their feelings about NASCAR’s dealings with Jesse Jackson. I have. Their belief is, if you sponsor the right and enough Rainbow Coalition events, you can avoid Jesse ever bringing his circus and negative spotlight to your organization.

You follow me?

The ring Jesse and Al are boxing in is just as corrupt as the one where Mike Tyson sparred.

In a one-year time span, under the guise of fighting for our equality, Jesse and Al contributed to putting Duke lacrosse players and Rutgers basketball players in harm’s way.

For what? Was Don Imus hiding weapons of mass destruction? Were the lacrosse players an international threat to escorts? Or maybe the truth just doesn’t matter to Jesse and Al when it comes to furthering their agenda.

Whatever integrity Jesse and Al say our president lacks, you have to wonder if they don’t have the exact same deficiency.

If there’s a fight to push Jesse and Al out of the ring, you can sign me up. They’re an embarrassment. They disgrace the legacy of Martin Luther King Jr., a great man whose efforts caused division so that we could one day come together.

Jesse and Al cause division for profit, and demand from others the very things they’re unwilling to do — judge people on the content of their character and follow the truth wherever it leads, regardless of color.

Truth is on the side of the righteous. Jesse and Al operate as though they don’t believe in our righteousness. They are far more dangerous than Don Imus.

http://www.kansascity.com/182/story...tml#recent_comm


Sharpton may have some serious pull and power, which Jason is obviously feeling. But Jason knows the truth of the issue here, as does Sharpton, and people smell a rat in Sharpton pretty easily. Sharpton and Jackson are pussies and hacks. If they want a true fight that's worth something to our society and their culture, they'd take on the fucking hip-hop record companies and rappers themselves. What kind of tenacity has ANYONE ever witnessed from these two hacks against the record companies and rappers as we have seen against a washed-up, recovering drug addict, old-school shock jock like Imus?


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damn I just heard about that.

Now Imus has his first real casualty


I just saw a headline that said Corzine was going 91mph when he crashed. I have a hard time pinning reckless driving (without wearing a seatbelt) on Imus!

quote:
NJ State Police: Corzine driver was going 91 mph
ANGELA DELLI SANTI
The Associated Press

TRENTON, N.J. - New Jersey state police said Tuesday afternoon that the SUV carrying Gov. Corzine before a serious accident Thursday was traveling at more than 90 miles per hour five seconds before it crashed into a guardrail.

The report that the SUV was speeding seemed to conflict with what state police Superintendent Col. Rick Fuentes said hours after the accident when Fuentes said speed did not appear to be a factor.

"From our preliminary investigation, it looks as if the trooper did a tremendous job in maintaining what control he could over that vehicle, given the fact that the other vehicle swerved into his path," Fuentes said Thursday.

Meanwhile, Corzine remained in intensive care Tuesday at Cooper University Hospital in Camden, where he was flown Thursday after the Suburban he was riding in crashed into a guard rail on the Parkway. On his way from a speech in Atlantic City, Corzine was running late to a meeting between the Rutgers women's basketball team and radio host Don Imus, who had been fired earlier Thursday for uttering a racial slur about the players.

Corzine, who apparently was not wearing a seat belt, was the only one seriously injured in the crash. He broke 11 ribs and numerous other bones, including a leg fracture requiring three surgeries to repair. He remained on a ventilator Tuesday to ease the pain of breathing with multiple fractures. Doctors were assessing when he might be able to breathe on his own.

Despite the long list of injuries, doctors have said he doesn't have brain damage or paralysis, and is doing well for someone who sustained so many injuries.

The governor, who was in the front passenger seat and apparently not wearing a seat belt, was thrown to the back of the vehicle and sustained critical injuries. Robert Rasinski, who was driving, and an aide to the governor, were not seriously hurt.

A law enforcement official with knowledge of the security detail said Corzine's driver likely drove slightly faster than the traffic flow to keep another vehicle from riding alongside the governor, posing a possible security breach.

"You always assume the worst risk," said the official, who spoke only on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to speak about the accident or the investigation.

There is no timetable for when Corzine may be able to resume governing the state. Sen. President Richard J. Codey is acting governor.

Once Corzine is breathing unassisted, he should be able to speak. That milestone would make it possible for physical therapists to do more to help him regain use of his leg , a process that's expected to take up to six months.

Corzine, a 60-year-old former investment banker, gave up his seat in the U.S. Senate to become governor in 2006.

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Guys, the latest word in the media is numbers for shock jocks across the board are dropping. Maybe this Imus loser will have actually done something good for us all.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18108852/site/newsweek/

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