I don't see how anyone who wants positive change would even consider Hillary.

She is effectively running on the same platform Bush did in 2000.

"You liked my daddy, vote for me and we will bring back those days."

Hillary changes it to:

"You loved my husband, vote for me and you'll have Bill in the White House again."


I think this country needs (and is ready for) someone who is not familialy connected to the last 20 years of executives.

Hillary is an establishment candidate, plain and simple. Status quo with some minor changes to make people think things are different.


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Originally posted by LazFX Even if you don't like gays

People sexual orientation isn't much of my business really, the way I see it. So I'm don't know why you'd assume that.

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Originally posted by MrSquirrel Hillary is an establishment candidate, plain and simple. Status quo with some minor changes to make people think things are different.

Personally I always thought of it like electing the cheerleader to captain the football team to use a similar euphemism. But mostly I just don't like her for lacking the guts to publicly disown and divorce Bill for being a lecherous and dodgy man that he is, it shows a lack of backbone or perhaps too much leniency to ignore things for the betterment of ones career and the US Democrat party.
No.. tut tut, don't sully the nest dear, it'll ruin your future career and ambitions in the party...

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z People sexual orientation isn't much of my business really, the way I see it. So I'm don't know why you'd assume that.

I did not mean you....baby cakes

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Originally posted by MrSquirrel I don't see how anyone who wants positive change would even consider Hillary. She is effectively running on the same platform Bush did in 2000. "You liked my daddy, vote for me and we will bring back those days." Hillary changes it to: "You loved my husband, vote for me and you'll have Bill in the White House again." I think this country needs (and is ready for) someone who is not familialy connected to the last 20 years of executives. Hillary is an establishment candidate, plain and simple. Status quo with some minor changes to make people think things are different. MrS

Unfortuanetly the people who run the country don't see it this way. They want the same family to remain in power. After hill's two terms than another Bush will be in power. And after that there will be a bloody revolution led by me. and then I will be the one in power. But will be corrupted by girls with big boobs which will eventually assasinate me and one of my big breasted mistresses will be the next ruler and her name will be Lenina.

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Originally posted by Kapedan Right now, I think that a Hillary/Obama would be a good choice for Democrats. I think they would get the women vote as well as the minority vote.

I think this ticket would be a best case scenario for the Republicans. Any ticket with Hillary on it is a loser, and if you pair Obama with her that would be the end of him for the '08 election.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Don't mix issues, homosexuality isn't a religion last time I checked, nor is it an ethnic/racial group. And the hate crimes bit is just BS, read this thread in case you're curious what I've said about that one in the past:

You just blatantly failed to validate your argument with a sweeping generalization that "Gay does not equal Muslim and therefore has no worth." That's like me telling you, "Muslims aren't homosexuals and therefore you are wrong for all of your pro-Muslim jargon."

Can you explain to me that because homosexuals are not a religion nor an ethnic/racial group they are therefore not worth equal rights and protection?

Two of my five points were talking about hate CRIMES. I went to your link where you are talking about hate SPEECH. There's a difference between someone calling you a f@gg0t and someone beating the shit out you because you're a f@gg0t. But apparently your hero Ron Paul doesn't get the difference and maybe you don't either.

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Plus, most people from his generation aren't exactly pro-gay rights eigther you know. I don't see why this comes across as such a surprise.

So if he also says it's okay to lynch black people too I'll just go "pffffft, old people. You know their generation and their black-hanging ways." Yeah that makes sense. Let's just support out of date views and vote them in office.

And this does come as a surprise when there are plenty of candidates, REPUBLICANS even, that have a fairer record when it comes to gay cvil rights than Ron Paul.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z People sexual orientation isn't much of my business really, the way I see it. So I'm don't know why you'd assume that.

But it beomes your business if you support a candidate that has one of the worst records of gay civil rights today.

I can say "Oh it's none of my business if you do your Muslim rituals," and then turn around and vote for a candidate that says, "Let's make sure that Muslims are not allowed to work in our military."

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Jesus. You missed the point entirely.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson You just blatantly failed to validate your argument with a sweeping generalization that "Gay does not equal Muslim and therefore has no worth." That's like me telling you, "Muslims aren't homosexuals and therefore you are wrong for all of your pro-Muslim jargon." Can you explain to me that because homosexuals are not a religion nor an ethnic/racial group they are therefore not worth equal rights and protection?

No that's not what I said, that's what you assumed.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Two of my five points were talking about hate CRIMES. I went to your link where you are talking about hate SPEECH. There's a difference between someone calling you a f@gg0t and someone beating the shit out you because you're a f@gg0t. But apparently your hero Ron Paul doesn't get the difference and maybe you don't either.

Again, you missed the point entirely. Yes, I have been fucking assaulted in the past before by multiple people and called sand******, but I'm not going to support BS legislation because of it since we ALREADY HAVE LAWS dealing with violent crime.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Oh okay that totally justifies it then. If he says it's okay to lynch black people too I'll just go "pffffft, old people. You know their generation and their black-hanging ways."

No, that's not what I said either. That's something you assumed again.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Was this supposed to reinforce your point that Ron Paul is cool, because it's okay to validate an out-of-date believe that homosexuality is wrong? And this does come as a surprise when there are plenty of candidates, REPUBLICANS even that have a fairer record when it comes to gay cvil rights than Ron Paul.

You won't find a single anti-war/pro-constitution candidate at this moment, that was my point. Not Ron Paul views on homosexuality. Do you care about anything else other than things that barely effect you? Like serving in the military and the other things you mentioned that are trivial compared to everything that's at stake? Or do you still need clarification? Chill out dude.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Why just why do we want gays around?

Because when you go into a gay club, the hot fag hags that follow their flaming gay guy friends are an untapped resource because NO MEN are hitting on them. Essentially, gay men create an utopia for loser heteros who can't seem to score.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Jesus. You missed the point entirely. No that's not what I said, that's what you assumed.

Okay then what's your point? You said gay people aren't a religion or a race...and that means what?

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Again, you missed the point entirely. Yes, I have been fucking assaulted in the past before by multiple people and called sand******, but I'm not going to support BS legislation because of it since we ALREADY HAVE LAWS dealing with violent crime.

Your group of people are already protected under the constitution, because it falls under "ethnic/racial" groups. Therefore, you don't need extra lagislation. Gays/lesbians do because they have no protection.

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You won't find a single anti-war/pro-constitution candidate at this moment, that was my point. Not Ron Paul views on homosexuality.

Yeah I get your point. That's the same reason why I'll probably vote for a Dem: because there's no single perfect candidate out there but at least the Dems don't hate on the gays.

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Do you care about anything else other than things that barely effect you?

Do you care about anything else other than things about Palestine and your Muslim heritage? Because when I read in the PDD, that's all you seem to be talking about. In fact you're always making posts about Muslims and Palestinians. Jeez d00d, can you not understand a different minority group? Are you empathic, or just another selfish snotty Muslim?

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Like serving in the military and the other things you mentioned that are trivial compared to everything that's at stake? Or do you still need clarification? Chill out dude.

Of course they are trivial, but obnoxious none-the-less. I want to see you live your entire life with certain restrictions based on your ethnicity then tell you to shut up because there's other important issues besides your ethnicity.

There are more important issues out there, but those issues are not being suppressed because gay people are stalling everyone demanding equal rights, but because the conservatives aren't allowing gay people their equal rights so that we can all move forward.

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