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Originally posted by emc^2 any synth that uses water bottle cap for a rotary encoder can't be that good, can it?

I'm not exactly sure what you mean, lol. I'm assuming you're being metaphorical, but could you please elaborate? You mean rotary encoder, eg knob right? LOL. Sorry for being so anal, but I just wanted to know, how bad IS the knob?

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Originally posted by DJFreaq I'm not exactly sure what you mean, lol. I'm assuming you're being metaphorical, but could you please elaborate? You mean rotary encoder, eg knob right? LOL. Sorry for being so anal, but I just wanted to know, how bad IS the knob? ---Adam

See this picture:



now, see resemblance:



The rotary encoder (data encoder) not only looks and feels like the same type of plastic you'd find on top of some of your favorite spring water bottles but it is also off-axis. So, as you rotate it it over-extends the edge of the underlying plastic base. You can stick a finger behind it and pry it off. That's just the MAIN encoder. The rest of the pots feel loose in their sockets - construction over all screams CHEAP TOY. I'd never dare gig it. Lord forbid I bump into it, I'd break several pots right off.

...and that's before we talk about the sounds. The biggest problem with ROMplers (imho) is that their sounds quickly become dated. This one already is dated, as it uses bunch of sounds out of Triton, Triton Extreme, and some OASYS. I don't know - to me, using ROMplers is equivalent with "cheating". E.g. if KORG could muster to make those sounds and then create them into patches - wouldn't it make you feel better as a musician if you "rolled your own"?

Just thinking out loud...

Anyway, DEFINITELY test it before buying it. I wouldn't recommend it at all.

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...and that's before we talk about the sounds. The biggest problem with ROMplers (imho) is that their sounds quickly become dated. This one already is dated, as it uses bunch of sounds out of Triton, Triton Extreme, and some OASYS. I don't know - to me, using ROMplers is equivalent with "cheating".

But I don't think the Radius is a rompler. Isn't it based around the Ms2000 VA ? From the Korg site:

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RADIAS provides two oscillators for each timbre. Between them, they deliver not only modeled analog waveforms, but also formant waveforms, noise, ring modulation, sync, plus both classic and up-to-date PCM waveforms.

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RADIAS provides a dual-filter structure, allowing the two filters to be used individually, side by side, or in series for maximum versatility. Filter 1 is highlighted by a continuously variable multi-mode filter, embracing Low Pass, High Pass and Band Pass modes – and new treatments in between. This dual filter arrangement provides a vast range of sounds that would be unimaginable from just a single filter, and opens up new sonic possibilities including some fantastic comb filtering.

Looking at the manual it looks a lot more liek a VA than a rompler:
http://www.korg.co.uk/downloads/sup...ADIAS_OM_E2.pdf

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Originally posted by emc^2 I saw BT using Roland VP-550 - update to the legend. That's the vocoder you may have heard on "Force of gravity", "Somnabulist" and others.

But can the VP-550 take two audio inputs and use one instead of the internal synth ? Vital if you want to, say, modulate a guitar with a drum loop ?

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Originally posted by R2Project But I don't think the Radius is a rompler. Isn't it based around the Ms2000 VA ? From the Korg site: And Looking at the manual it looks a lot more liek a VA than a rompler: http://www.korg.co.uk/downloads/sup...ADIAS_OM_E2.pdf Andy

waveform = ROM recording of a sound (well, sort of). The basis around MS2000 is in interface and maybe some underlying OS. Radias IS NOT a true "VA" any more than Triton series synths are. They are as "true" as the sample fed into them.

As far as VP-550 goes, not sure - check roland website - they have manuals online as well.

good luck and my advise, don't buy Radias.

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Originally posted by emc^2 waveform = ROM recording of a sound (well, sort of).

Not at all! A Rompler is based on sound samples stored in ROM, typically the waveform will be many wavelengths long, and for some instruments (Rompler drum machines, Piano's for instance ) the entire sound is stored in the ROM.

For a VA (Virtual Analog) the waveform typically will be calculated from the basic Maths, the sine, square, pulse, saw and triangle waves will probably be calculated this way. For a sine:

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float fSamp = static_cast( fVolume * sin( pns->dTheta ) );

Some of Radius's (and the MS2000) sounds are from wavetables, in this case several wavelengths of sound are stored in ROM (ptobably embeded in the code) and are looped using a table lookup (a typical function):

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static inline float FastSine(float Theta,float fSine[50000]){ Theta=fmod((double)Theta,d2PI); if (Theta<0) Theta=d2PI+Theta; long lT=50000*Theta/d2PI; return fSine[lT]; }

Note that the Radius does also include "DWGS waves, PCM waves and drum kits)" , the PCM waves and drumkits will be Rompler based I suspect but that doesn't mean that the Radius doesn't have full VA capabilities.

I have to say I've not played with a Radius, but hope to on Saturday.

Andy

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