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Originally posted by djsphere good news..i might get the yamaha's hs50m

You'll want 6" woofers, trust me.
Have a look at the Event TR6 or Alesis M1 mkII Actives.
Both are front ported which makes them so much easier to fit in a room.

djsphere - I think the Behringer 2031a are your best best bet out of that list. I haven't heard the rokit's but I have done exact AB comparisons between all the rest and the truth's (2031a) come out on top by far. They are mackie HR824 rip offs and they probably have the best bass response and the MID + Hi are still fairly clean.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely hate all Behringer kit and would not take it if i was paid but the truths are the one thing they got right.

Go listen to them - and just pretend they don't have the b word stamped on them - i think you'll find them best suited to what you're doing.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN djsphere - I think the Behringer 2031a are your best best bet out of that list. I haven't heard the rokit's but I have done exact AB comparisons between all the rest and the truth's (2031a) come out on top by far. They are mackie HR824 rip offs and they probably have the best bass response and the MID + Hi are still fairly clean. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely hate all Behringer kit and would not take it if i was paid but the truths are the one thing they got right. Go listen to them - and just pretend they don't have the b word stamped on them - i think you'll find them best suited to what you're doing.

I think theyre Genelec rip offs of 8030 or something or rather. It's just the outside cabinet though, the amps, crossover, speakers, and internals are all completely different.

I agree with you though, 5" isn't really going to cut it. I know I argued that a budget 8" woofer isnt going to give you great mids, but I guess it's better to hear everything crapily (and learn the downfalls) than hear a little bit "well". To poster: Those 5" speakers you listed arent really capable of giving decent bass, and you'll find it difficult to mix lower frequencies.

[quote]I think theyre Genelec rip offs of 8030 or something or rather. It's just the outside cabinet though, the amps, crossover, speakers, and internals are all completely different.[quote]



Firstly, how did Behringer manage to rip off speakers by genelec (8030's) about three years before Genelec came up with the design?

Secondly please look at:

http://www.djxpress.com.au/product_images_1/90-p.jpg

now look at

http://www.eddiemoorsmusic.co.uk/shop/images/hr824.gif

Apart from a bit of aesthetic changes on the front and the bass ports, they are pretty much identical.

Um... having the ports on the front is a major design difference man. The Mackies use a radiator on the rear, which is an entirely different cabinet tuning. It wasn't 8030s either, it was 1030s (oops).



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I own a pair of genelec 88040's(which sound great is my small room) and unless you have a really nice huge room that is acoustically treated. I wouldn't get a larger woofer than 6.5 as standing waves will develop.

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Originally posted by echosystm Um... having the ports on the front is a major design difference man. The Mackies use a radiator on the rear, which is an entirely different cabinet tuning. It wasn't 8030s either, it was 1030s (oops). 1994 - 2005

Not correct. The 1030's may be front ported but only have 6.5" driver where as the Mackie hr824's have 8.75.....and I bet you can't guess the size of the driver on the Behringer truths....?

Also the mackies and the 2031a's are roughly the same size cab, but the gene's are smaller. Cosmetically the gene's are very similar but the 2031a's are based 824's.

fr0st - the 8040 are really nice for "smaller" monitors - probably the best choice at that price range.

1031a, 1991-2005, uses an 8" driver. 1030 is the equivalent of the 6" Behringer.

You're missing the point entirely DJ RANN. A radiator design, is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TYPE OF MONITOR from a port based. Anyone who knows anything about cab tuning knows this. If you look at the position and size of the ports, they are the same on the Genelecs and the Behringers.

Behringer copied the 1030 + 1031, look at the photos...




Genelec was the only company to use ports like that...
Accept it

HAHA, I also just noticed something... Genelec 1030/1031, Behringer 2030/2031. Coincidence?

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http://www.ishibashi.co.jp/webshop/.../hr824-rear.jpg
http://www.musitec.com.br/images/ge...ear_panel.2.jpg
http://www.musitec.com.br/images/ge...ear_panel.2.jpg

The word OWNED comes to mind for some reason.

When chatting the the Behringer Rep (for whole of southern England) we discussed how these speakers were based on Mackie HR824's and how that's the model they were looking at competing with, but due to the amount of legal pressure Mackie were putting on them for reverse engineering other products at the time, someone decided to put ports on the front to make them cosmetically different to the HR824's.

And another thing it wasn't me who suggested "the 2031's were a rip off of 8030's er....i mean 1030's......umm... I mean 1031's." (Damn it why can't google just get it right for me all the time

Hey, all I'm trying to get accross is that there is a serious proliferation of the PR led crap that gets printed in these industry publications that seems to end up on this forum as "hands on opinion" even though in some cases it appears verbatim. I just wish more people would comment on what they have done, used installed, set fire to (etc.) rather than regurgitate what some copywriter has been told to by the marketing department of their magazine.

Apart from the ports in the front they actually look like the hr8245 as well.. And I can recall reading somewhere they where wactually based on the hr824's. Too bad I can't remember where I read it.

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Your ignorance astounds me.

www.google.com

Read about speaker cabinet tuning, THEN try and come back and continue this debate. Trying to compare a radiator design to a front port is absolutely retarded. Also, you didn't "own" shit. All you have shown is that the Behringers have a heatsink panel roughly the same size as the genelec. Big whoop de doo, it doesn't mean anything, it's just a frigging heatsink for gods sake. In a ported design, the shape and position of the ports is EVERYTHING. Seeing as Behringer copied Genelec down to a T and Genelec WERE THE ONLY ONES TO EVER DO THAT, you would have to be a complete moron not to see that they're replicas.

Behringer 2030 is the Genelec 1030 copy. Behringer 2031 is the Genelec 1031 copy. It is so god damn obvious, even their model numbers are the same.

I'm not going to bother replying if you continue this stupidity. I don't care what their sales rep says, speaker science is laughing in his face. You probably didn't even consider the fact that he is a SALES REP and will say any old shit to get a sale. Seeing as Mackie dominate the budget 8" speaker market, it's only logical that Behringer sprouts some bs propaganda like that to get you to buy them. Use your brain, if you have one - If you copied a 15 year old speaker design, would you tell people THAT (Genelec)? OR would you compare it to the current product leading the market (Mackie)? I thought people were smart enough not to listen to sales people... I guess I was wrong.

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^ i lol'd

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