Major General (ret.) Paul D. Eaton becomes the second general to come out and speak:
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Whence September dusk grows crisper still,
with leaves all crimson conquered,
I yearn to shout,
and dance about,
and stick pickles in my honker...
May-14-2007 14:09
erdega
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Originally posted by Sunsnail
I say either give the generals what they need to win the war, or pull out. No need to go at it half-assed.
They have been given a free reign from the beginning and then some, it's not like they have UN, self styled "humanitarian groups" or disobedient media to worry about, no they have had more had more freedom to do what they want than anyone fighting in their own land but the people they are fighting against are bigger bad guys than they can ever be
May-14-2007 15:39
occrider
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Originally posted by erdega
They have been given a free reign from the beginning and then some, it's not like they have UN, self styled "humanitarian groups" or disobedient media to worry about, no they have had more had more freedom to do what they want than anyone fighting in their own land but the people they are fighting against are bigger bad guys than they can ever be
Ummm no they haven't. Please read the thread a little more thoroughly. It seems like you're not interested in discussing the primary topic of this thread so if you have a tangental argument feel free to discuss it in a thread of your own.
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May-15-2007 05:25
erdega
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Originally posted by occrider
Ummm no they haven't. Please read the thread a little more thoroughly. It seems like you're not interested in discussing the primary topic of this thread so if you have a tangental argument feel free to discuss it in a thread of your own.
Please explain how they have not been given free reign?
Their rules of engagement are clearly occupational but they bare no responsability for anything that happens on the ground which is nominally contrary to UN chapters of military occupation . I don't see "humanitarian rights watch", "UN" or other international organizations or mainstream media condemning US/UK for the situation they created as occupation powers
I already said everything that needs to be said about this thread on the 1st page, most people realize that US/UK have lost the war in Iraq, or at least they realize they can't win in military style which is all they have and how they got there in the first place , even Bush administration realizes that but they are delaying defeat .
Now we have oposition and retired folks coming out of the woods and since they are not burdened with responsability,even the "democrats" who wanted a war and supported it until recently feel they have no responsability , well it's all just a power grab plot that doesn't change the main problems and issues. I can easily see them changing their tunes once in power
This is an internal american issue but as an outsider I will say they are just using Bush as a scapegoat for a losing war, loss of invincability, loss of credibility and influence ... but the truth of the matter is that it was predictable long time ago when they abandoned the rule of law and start to drive their aggressive imperial policies on corporate deals and based on obedience to some middle eastern states.
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May-15-2007 14:01
occrider
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Originally posted by erdega
Now we have oposition and retired folks coming out of the woods and since they are not burdened with responsability,even the "democrats" who wanted a war and supported it until recently feel they have no responsability , well it's all just a power grab plot that doesn't change the main problems and issues. I can easily see them changing their tunes once in power
Exactly. And what we have been seeing with these retired and opposition folks coming out of the woodwork is a scene where the needs of the army have been cultivated, manipulated, and ignored to suit the needs of this administration. From the the very start of this administration, generals who voiced a need for much more massive troop levels for the invasion were all edged out. Genereals who tried to voice their concerns within the chain of command were all edged out because they were consistently ignored. Hence we have the current situation where we have all these generals speaking out after the fact. What I am arguing is that the generals were never given free reign to do what they wanted to make Iraq a functional country because all the generals who understood the situation well enough to possibly succeed were all forced out by an incompetant administration that was more concerened with politics rather than winning a war.
