All this gloom and doom...

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Five Years Left To Save The Planet' Updated: 12:30, Tuesday May 15, 2007 Our planet is just five years away from climate change catastrophe - but can still be saved, according to a new report. Planet is five years from disaster Planet is five years from disaster The World Wide Fund for Nature (WWF) warns governments have until 2012 to "plant the seeds of change" and make positive moves to limit carbon emissions. If they fail to do so, the WWF's Vision For 2050 warns "generations to come will have to live with the compromises and hardships caused by their inability to act". "We have a small window of time in which we can plant the seeds of change, and that is the next five years," James Leape, from the WWF, said. "We cannot afford to waste them. This is not something that governments can put off until the future." Between now and 2050, the world's energy needs are expected to double.

5 years? Thank God we can still purchase a bazillion carbon credits to fix this problem! That's the only solution you need to know.

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Originally posted by Shakka All this gloom and doom... 5 years? Thank God we can still purchase a bazillion carbon credits to fix this problem! That's the only solution you need to know.

Hey Shakka, what do you make of Rupert Murdoch goin' green and buyin' credits now?:

http://www.environmental-finance.co...ews/0510mur.htm

I wonder if all that criticism on Faux News will be going after their owner now?:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200705150007

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Hey Shakka, what do you make of Rupert Murdoch goin' green and buyin' credits now?: http://www.environmental-finance.co...ews/0510mur.htm I wonder if all that criticism on Faux News will be going after their owner now?: http://mediamatters.org/items/200705150007

Who knows. Maybe he's trying to polish his image to push through his attempted purchase of Dow Jones (which will very unlikely ever happen). Maybe he just feels too guilty about how he rolls!

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Originally posted by Lira I don't think I've posted anything lengthy about this global warming debate, but this is getting out of hand already. Does any of you really know how climate changes work? Have you studied anything about climate in general (prior to global warming), or are you trusting basing your opinion on documentaries and articles about this specific phenomenon? Even if human interaction isn't the major cause, pumping co2 into the atmosphere is certainly not going to help. This is the main issue.

Most people are basing their opinions on articles and documentaries anyway, at least give them an alternate view point.

That was another thing addressed in this documentary... Even if global warming isn't happening then whats wrong with just being on the safe side?

Bets are you didn't watch the entire thing if any.

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Originally posted by everett Most people are basing their opinions on articles and documentaries anyway, at least give them an alternate view point.

I don't see what good an alternate point of view would make, and that's exactly my whole point: things are messed up no matter what the causes were, and we'd better do something about it. Why another thread?

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Originally posted by everett That was another thing addressed in this documentary... Even if global warming isn't happening then whats wrong with just being on the safe side? Bets are you didn't watch the entire thing if any.

Indeed, it was taking forever to load and I accessed their website as you supplied no summary whatsoever. There, they claimed that "[t]he film argues that rises in atmospheric carbon dioxide have nothing to do with climate change. Further, the present single-minded focus on reducing carbon emissions may have the unintended consequence of stifling development in the third world, prolonging endemic poverty and disease". Well, I do happen to live in "the 3rd world", and we're doing quite well tackling this problem (at least Brazil is).

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Originally posted by Lira I don't see what good an alternate point of view would make, and that's exactly my whole point: things are messed up no matter what the causes were, and we'd better do something about it. Why another thread? Indeed, it was taking forever to load and I accessed their website as you supplied no summary whatsoever. There, they claimed that "[t]he film argues that rises in atmospheric carbon dioxide have nothing to do with climate change. Further, the present single-minded focus on reducing carbon emissions may have the unintended consequence of stifling development in the third world, prolonging endemic poverty and disease". Well, I do happen to live in "the 3rd world", and we're doing quite well tackling this problem (at least Brazil is).

There are countries A LOT worse off than Brazil.

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Originally posted by everett There are countries A LOT worse off than Brazil.

But are they among the world's greatest polluters? I really don't think so.

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Originally posted by Lira But are they among the world's greatest polluters? I really don't think so.

China anyone?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r China anyone?

Is China A LOT worse off than Brazil?

edit: By "worse off", he means economically, right? Because China is not that bad, at all, economically...

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Originally posted by Lira Is China A LOT worse off than Brazil? edit: By "worse off", he means economically, right? Because China is not that bad, at all, economically...

I agree, China is not bad off economically and industrially. I'm talking more along the lines of most African countries, Yemen in the middle east, etc.

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Originally posted by Lira Is China A LOT worse off than Brazil? edit: By "worse off", he means economically, right? Because China is not that bad, at all, economically...

Sorry, I thought you meant pollution-wise...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Sorry, I thought you meant pollution-wise...

Nah talking about developing nations and why they are hindered due to the global warming debate.

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