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Originally posted by Floorfiller not everyone can handle it.

can YOU handle it?

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Originally posted by ASFSE can YOU handle it?

lol hahaha...touche. ok i just give up hahaha

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Originally posted by Floorfiller looking at some of the later responses i understand the reactions, but the programming is actually one of the things i like about FM Synthesis. i'm just as interested in the sound design aspect as actually making the songs. most of the people i look up to and strive to be like are master programers...one of the attractions of FM Synthesis to me at least is that it has endless possibilities and not everyone can handle it.

Yeah thats cool, to get really deep into the programming and make original and interesting sounds. But the best thing for this is a computer. Most FM hardware only has 3/4/5 operators, native instruments has what 7? plus two filters, noise osc, plenty of waveforms etc etc. plus more modulation than you could ever want. So you can actually program, not only easier, but more deeply in software. Hardware will not give you more options for FM.

Also, synth's resale value is dependant on demand, I could be wrong (often am) but I can't see there being much demand for FM in hardware in future, what I do see are a lot of used FM synths all over the place...

Again, its your choice, if your in love with the idea of a hardware FM synth then go for it and enjoy it, 99% of good music is confidence in and love for your instruments, so if it gives you good vibes then its probably going to work.

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Originally posted by kitphillips Yeah thats cool, to get really deep into the programming and make original and interesting sounds. But the best thing for this is a computer. Most FM hardware only has 3/4/5 operators, native instruments has what 7? plus two filters, noise osc, plenty of waveforms etc etc. plus more modulation than you could ever want. So you can actually program, not only easier, but more deeply in software. Hardware will not give you more options for FM. Also, synth's resale value is dependant on demand, I could be wrong (often am) but I can't see there being much demand for FM in hardware in future, what I do see are a lot of used FM synths all over the place... Again, its your choice, if your in love with the idea of a hardware FM synth then go for it and enjoy it, 99% of good music is confidence in and love for your instruments, so if it gives you good vibes then its probably going to work.

yeah i've been playing with the FM 8 demo the last couple days and it's pretty powerful...i might just get a nice midi controller and use that bad boy...i definitely see your point

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Originally posted by Eric J You may also want to investigate the Nord Lead 3. It a traditional analog synth with a lot of FM capabilities added. You'll have to buy one used, because they just discontinued them.

Nord leads are not analog.

Pardon me, virtual analog

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Originally posted by thecYrus not only fm but check the yamaha FS1R out.. it's imho the best "current" fm hardware synth in this direction.

I second that. It does not get much more FM than FS1R. COMPLEX AS HELL THOUGH! Consider yourself warned. Oh, and do try to dig up an editor for it, if you do end up getting it.

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Originally posted by echosystm Software FM synths are hard enough to use, I wouldnt go hardware. I heard a quote somewhere that 90% of the DX7s that were returned for servicing still had the original patch bank. UNTOUCHED. lol.

Brian Eno said that in his interview with FM mag. He is considered a DX7 wiz, and some of the engineers were gloating to him that 90% of DX7s were not programmed. He said that it's not a failure on user's part - its a failure on your part to make the synth programmable.

For a fist synth, FM synthesis is EXCEPTIONALY overwhelming.

I'd get a Yamaha AN1x - has FM capabilities, built-in analog-style sequencer, and CHEAP! you can probably get one for about $300-$400.

FS1R is a very very powerful synth but was not my cup of tea. DX200 is .... essentially a DX7 card inside a drum machine with static drum sounds. You might as well get a Motif with PLG board in it.

My personal recommendation - get a AN1X (fantastic kbd controller, my favorite - and I have a few available to me ATM: Roland A-70, Virus Ti Kbd, PolyEvolver... I use Yamaha for its key feel) and purchase FM8. You'll be set.

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No one wants to die. Even people who want to go to heaven don’t want to die to get there. And yet death is the destination we all share. No one has ever escaped it. And that is as it should be, because Death is very likely the single best invention of Life. It is Life’s change agent. It clears out the old to make way for the new. Right now the new is you, but someday not too long from now, you will gradually become the old and be cleared away. Sorry to be so dramatic, but it is quite true.

--Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)

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Originally posted by kitphillips Most FM hardware only has 3/4/5 operators, native instruments has what 7? plus two filters, noise osc, plenty of waveforms etc etc. plus more modulation than you could ever want. So you can actually program, not only easier, but more deeply in software. Hardware will not give you more options for FM. Also, synth's resale value is dependant on demand, I could be wrong (often am) but I can't see there being much demand for FM in hardware in future, what I do see are a lot of used FM synths all over the place...

FS1R has 8 operators. It's resale value is holding very steady due to its rarity.

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No one wants to die. Even people who want to go to heaven don’t want to die to get there. And yet death is the destination we all share. No one has ever escaped it. And that is as it should be, because Death is very likely the single best invention of Life. It is Life’s change agent. It clears out the old to make way for the new. Right now the new is you, but someday not too long from now, you will gradually become the old and be cleared away. Sorry to be so dramatic, but it is quite true.

--Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)