First i need a good sound card for cubase, cause i dont feel like waiting 2 seconds to hear a sound.

I cant really record vocals in reason.

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Originally posted by emc^2 um... are u remotely clued in or just shooting from a hip? while it would work, certainly latency could be an issue. Recording with Reason, you're only sending midi control messages, hence, no true latency would be very visible. Cubase running several audio tracks could experience SUBSTANTIAL latency if using DirectX and/or crappy sound card. ASIO is definitely a way to go and is offered by "pro" sound cards. Of course you can get an Audigy, which supports ASIO, however, I know nothing about its performance capabilities.

You can use ASIO with any soundcard with Asio4All drivers. Not to mention that latency is gonna be just as bad in Reason as in Cubase, you're statement that "you're only sending midi control messages, hence, no true latency would be very visible" is just complete rubbish, quite clearly you're just 'shooting from the hip' as you dont seem to have the slightest grasp of what latency actually means or how it works.

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Originally posted by Sanguis Mortuum You can use ASIO with any soundcard with Asio4All drivers. Not to mention that latency is gonna be just as bad in Reason as in Cubase, you're statement that "you're only sending midi control messages, hence, no true latency would be very visible" is just complete rubbish, quite clearly you're just 'shooting from the hip' as you dont seem to have the slightest grasp of what latency actually means or how it works.

Ha!!!!!!! I'd get into an argument with you but I have some more important things to do... So, I'll just laugh in your general direction and take a high road.

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Originally posted by emc^2 Ha!!!!!!! I'd get into an argument with you but I have some more important things to do... So, I'll just laugh in your general direction and take a high road.

Please, If Im wrong about how latency works, explain to me where Im wrong and I will gladly accept I was mistaken. Also explain to me what "you're only sending midi control messages, hence, no true latency would be very visible" can possibly mean when there is still going to be latency on the output from Reason. If you can actually justify this statement as anything other than meaningless crap I will gladly admit your superiority, but your post sounds like "I really dont have a fucking clue what Im talking about but Im going to pretend Ive won this argument anyway and hope nobody notices I actually havnt".

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Originally posted by sterilis so you bought cubase for say £700 and dont use it ?

LOL...
You can't pirate soundcards easily... you gotta fork it over.

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Originally posted by Sanguis Mortuum Please, If Im wrong about how latency works, explain to me where Im wrong and I will gladly accept I was mistaken. Also explain to me what "you're only sending midi control messages, hence, no true latency would be very visible" can possibly mean when there is still going to be latency on the output from Reason. If you can actually justify this statement as anything other than meaningless crap I will gladly admit your superiority, but your post sounds like "I really dont have a fucking clue what Im talking about but Im going to pretend Ive won this argument anyway and hope nobody notices I actually havnt".

Ok, here we go:

Page 280, REASON 3 manual:

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When Reason’s sequencer is playing back a song, the timing between notes is perfect! Once playback of a Reason pattern or song is up and running, latency isn’t a consideration at all. The computer clocks the audio between the steps and does this with perfect quartz accuracy! The timing is immaculate!

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Originally posted by Sanguis Mortuum You can use ASIO with any soundcard with Asio4All drivers.

True, however at the cost of stability and performance. Please don't try to convince me that "one size fits all" driver can give you a performance on par with RME/MOTU/"PRO SOUND CARD OF YOUR CHOICE"-specific driver. In TRUE LIFE test scenarious ASIO4ALL sucked ass, IMHO. However, you may insist otherwise. Perhaps because you either never worked with a pro hardware driver or again just being a clueless n00blar.

Moving on.

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Not to mention that latency is gonna be just as bad in Reason as in Cubase,

If that were the case, I'd say Reason is a rather shitty product. Howver, I'm not saying that - which can only mean one thing. Again, you're full of shit. Latency in Reason does exist... IF YOU'RE RENNDERING TO AUDIO while playing back real time. In which case it's your DAW, OS, and other elements that also contribute to latency. There's no comparison between multi-track Cubase project latency with VSTi's and REASON latency you're trying so hard to get me to believe in.

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you're statement that "you're only sending midi control messages, hence, no true latency would be very visible" is just complete rubbish,

Really? Please enlighten me as to how the actual Reason works? Let me guess your midi controller is sending audio signals over midi cables and Reason is recording it. right????

Page 44 Reason Quick Start guide:

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Reason generates and plays back digital audio - a stream of numerical values in the form of ones and zeroes. For you to be able to hear anything, this must be converted to analog audio and sent to some kind of listening equipment (a set of speakers, headphones, etc.). This conversion is most often handled by the audio card installed in your computer (on the Macintosh you can use the built-in audio hardware if you don’t have additional audio hardware installed). To deliver the digital audio to the audio hardware, Reason uses the driver you have selected in the Preferences dialog (see page 13). In the rack on screen, this connection is represented by the Reason Hardware Interface. If you are using ReWire, Reason will instead feed the digital audio to the ReWire master application (typically an audio sequencer program), which in turn handles the communication with the audio hardware

Which then lands itself to reason that latency within Reason could be attributed to:

a) Rewire
b) DAW
c) Shitty *cough* ASIO4ALL *cough* driver
d) Obsolete and slow computer. Yeah, I'm talking about your 386 16Mhz Tandy PC that your mom got you for $5 at Goodwill store


Any other questions? Class dismissed, son.

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cubase will not have more latency than reason if you use the same asio driver on both with the same settings...

you must have your buffer sized turned up way too high in cubase. turn it down.. not too much though or you get pops.

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"you're only sending midi control messages, hence, no true latency would be very visible"

you're only sending midi messages to vsti's in cubase also... so what?? RUBBISH!!!

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Last edited by mysticalninja on May-26-2007 at 07:00

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Originally posted by mysticalninja cubase will not have more latency than reason if you use the same asio driver on both with the same settings...

not true...exactly :P

you can max your cpu more easily in cubase, hence people will put their buffer up to stop the pops. in reason, they'll never have such an issue.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja cubase will not have more latency than reason if you use the same asio driver on both with the same settings... you must have your buffer sized turned up way too high in cubase. turn it down.. not too much though or you get pops. you're only sending midi messages to vsti's in cubase also... so what?? RUBBISH!!!

THANK YOU!

Nice to see someone who knows what the fuck they're talking about!

ive been some what satisfied with reason, maybe cuz its the first program i learnt. but i feel eqing and ,mastering to quite tricky with out something visual to go off of. and i always here"if your seroius about making music you need logig7" but shit that and a good enough mac and monitors are like alomst 10G us. i love music and all , more than anything but i dont want to be some dude with nothing to show for but a nice studio set up.

anyway stick with reason , ive ben happy with it. people keep putting it down but i think yoy can still do up to date tracks in that program.

good luck

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Originally posted by echosystm not true...exactly :P you can max your cpu more easily in cubase, hence people will put their buffer up to stop the pops. in reason, they'll never have such an issue.

why not? is maxing out reason is impossibl?

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