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| quote: | Originally posted by venomX
I'll make it simple for ya'. State your views on torture, and it's relevance to the news item posted. Then we'll be able to talk. We are not talking on torture as whole. We are talking about the torture manual alqaeda has. It was also implied by some of you that since they have a manual US torture is somehow legitimized because it is more benign. Stop giving me the run around. Put your points on the table, and then we can discuss. Posts like the one above are senseless, you haven't added anything to the discussion. You just muddied the waters, I have no f'ing clue as to what you're trying to say with the above. |
Forgive me--I wasn't trying to imply that some of the less than honorable tactics used by a few in the U.S. somehow legitimized torture as an information gathering strategy. I do not believe that the U.S. is beyond reproach and I readily admit that mistakes have been made.
However, what is pretty shocking is that not a single person has spoken up and said "woah--these are the tactics regularly and systematically implemented and condoned by the people(animals) that we are up against. It's a pretty obvious contrast, not just a few shades of grey. So forgive me if I find it just a little ironic that there is never any shortage of condemnation of the U.S., while there is no condemnation and almost nothing short of condoning of the ordinary tactics used by the opposition. That alone provides ample evidence, imho, as to why we are at odds with Al Quaeda and other extremist groups--a continual complete disdain for all human life.
To quote Steyn:
| quote: | | Look at Ms. Drabble's list of grievances. If you lived in Poland in the 1930s, you weren't worried about the Soviets' taste in soft drinks or sentimental Third Reich movies. America is the most benign hegemon in history: its' the world's first non-imperial superpower and, at the dawn of the American moment, it chose to set itself up as a kind of geopolitical sugar daddy. By picking up the tab for Europe's defense, it hoped to prevent those countries lapsing into traditional power rivalries. Nice idea. But it also absolved them of the traditional responsibilities of nationhood, turning the alliance into a dysfunctional sitcom family, with one grown-up presiding over a brood of whiny teenagers--albeit (demographically) the world's wrinkliest teenagers. America's preference for diluting its power within the UN and other organs of an embryo world government has not won it friends. All dominant powers are hated--Britain was, and Rome--but they're usually hated for the right reasons. America is hated for every reason. The fanatical Muslims despise America because it's all lap-dancing and gay porn; the secular Europeans despise America because it's all born-again Christians hung up on abortion; the anti-Semites despise America because it's controlled by Jews. Too Jewish, too Christian, too godless, America is George Orwell's Room 101: whatever your bugbear you will find it therein; whatever you're against, America is the prime example of it... |
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