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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle Come on guys, give me a break. All of your are saying the EXACT same things that people who don't like trance say to you!. sone guy said rap is too repetive, what the hell do you think trance is? if anything, trance is more repetitive than rap! Don't get me wrong, I don't like rap/hip hop at all but that's solely because i just don't feel an affinity towards it. I like Rock and trance music just because for some reason I can connect with the music. I can't do that with rap music. don't go around being big hypocrites alright?

Thank you very much.

The starter of this thread gave me a hope that there might actually be a discussion without hypocrasy, I see it was a false hope. You don't understand it therefore it's shit? what is that? It's bullshit to us, but to Biggie & Pac, they lived what they sang about, so it wasn't bullshit. see what I'm saying? Now some rappers I don't like. I don't like the ones who will rap about something just because others do. But it's still what they do, just as much as Trance is what you guys do.

I've spent almost 2 years on hip-hop boards much like this one. I announced that I was leaving the board to convert to Trance, and every single member of the board said good luck and that they are glad I'm looking at new cultures. Not one dissed Trance. Not one.

Every time I open a thread about other types of music or other beleifs, all alot of you guys do is bash the beleifs that are not yours. It makes me sick that these people that are supposedly the most open minded people but can't let other people have their own likes without bashing them about it. It's dissapointing, honestly.


ANYWAY: ABOUT THE DAMN THREAD!!
I like hiphop because of several reasons. First, I actually do spit (rap), so I understand the complexities involved. You can't just rhyme. There are many defferent levels of "multis", "wordplay", "metas", "vocab", "bars", "lines", "couplets", "rhyme patterns"...I could go on and on. Once all these things come together, that makes for great hiphop, not some shit you can thump in your car. That is not what hiphop is about.

Learn about the culture before you bash it, that way you won't sound fuckin' stupid.

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Originally posted by tranceDJ OK, had something to add here: Hiphop WAS a respectable genre back in the 80s when it first started. People were doing it for the music and not the money and it was underground. Slowly hiphop declined into the commercial crap it is today...hopefully this will never happen to trance *knocks on wood*

Hell yeah, you almost have to have money to listen to rap anymore. All this "bling bling" bullshit and rollin on 20" dubs. Rap isn't what it used to be like 3-4 years ago. DMX & the Ruff Ryders are pretty much the only group I'll listen to anymore, but even DMX has gotten commercial w/ all the female vocalists in his songs. Nas is pretty good too.

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^^^YOU'RE CALLING COMMERCIAL RAPPERS COMMERCIAL AS AN INSULT!?!?!

If you want non-commercial, check out underground hip-hop! If you are gonna only look at mainstream, YEAH! It is going to be commercial!!! NO SHIT!

When I was in Germany in a club I went into the hiphop room and the DJ was really good and playing underground stuff. I enjoyed it and thought it was good, really got me moving.

Comments on the big post a couple above me: I see you are a rap listener who actually enjoys the music and discusses it and knows a lot about it. There are however tons of people who just listen to rap just to fit in and look cool (there's people that do this with trance too I know). I understand actual rapping has a lot to it but I wish rappers (commercial ones) would rap about things other than drinkin 40s, their "ice", and hoes.

WU TANG !WU TANG !WU TANG !WU TANG !WU TANG !WU TANG !WU TANG !WU TANG !WU TANG !WU TANG WU TANG !WU TANG !!WU TANG !WU TANG !WU TANG !WU TANG !...thats hip hop at its finest...or least it wuz...

^^^LMMFAO

The way I see it, when rock bands write hardcore songs, they are pissed at something, they have a reason.

When rappers write about ice and Henny, that is what they live, they have a reason to write about it.

When DJ's compose trance they have the underground scene in mind. That is what they live, they have a reason.


When people are fake, that is when things go wrong. But no one should be critisized for doing what they know and love. Period, no matter how little you appreciate the given culture.

hey, dont diss them... they dont know any better...they know shit about trance . and the only reason they are able to tolerate it is cause they dont listen to it 24/7. i guess they dont really pay attention to all the layers.

I just want to point this out(and this has been eluded to in previous posts). some rap have good lyrics but some has just terrible lyrics. any rap song that talks about bentley's and hos and bitches and copious amounts of alchohol i don't think is great. What would some of the great hip hop artists and rappers think about these types of lyrics?

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thing is these days its a lot diferent with all this rap and hip hop shit in the mainstream of the UK scene. the thing is i have reason to find it particularly repulsive. because im a white kid born in the north east of england and i got into music because it all got seriously imported over here. whereas in america or london you have a much greater black culture or generally much more popularity of the hip hop and rap genre. up north in the uk where i live i dont think you would find a single black wannabe rapper character (also known as a wigga to most people) up here. yes they probably would get their heads kicked in but thats besides the point it just never evolved around here. so to me i find it one of the worlds biggest enigmas why little middle class white kids go around trying to be cool by listening to hip hop, rap and speaking in ebonics... i mean, to me it sounds like sum1 talking in rhyms to a backbeat or sumthing equally non-tonal eg. the first bar of trance song. so i dont get how people call it music. and im not having a dig, im just stating from the facts i see i dont understand how you get to the apitomy of the "cool/wannabe" image and a music form... maybe sum1 could actually answer this question, probably not though...

and trance DJ i know what u mean about people liking music to fit in, maybe on this board they say they like stuff to fit in (if you know me you know exactly which 2 dj's im thinkin of right now ) but not in real life. Even here if ur a dedicated trance lover ur few and far between, just there is more plain (id say about 50% amoung young people) recognition for the sound over the country, by that i mean they neither love it nor hate it but know what it is. whereas us trancer, hmm i think there is about 3 in my college inc. gibbo off this board... whereas with rap/hip hop/that nu metal rock shit millions of peopel like that just coz its the in thing, fucking commercialised sheepish twats, what even worse they think theyre fuckin "underground" half the time! urgh! ill end my rant now

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In response to Dumonde's rant above about little kids being wannabes, I agree. I find it quite unsettling that a lot of white middle aged kids who don't have any sort of connection with raps about ghetto shootings are trying to emulate this stuff. You know what it is? It's about kids trying to emulate gangs and prisons. I'm no joking. I've read reports from psychologists about this stuff and that's what it is. Bandannas? same thing. why are they banned from schools? Because they are a gang thing. Why do people where extremely baggy pants down to their ankles? It's a prison thing(they aren't or weren't allowed to wear belts so their pants would be falling down)
I forget where I read these but rest assured I'm not making this crap up.

And in response to any post after this one that says I and the other people who haved posted are racists. Don't say that. It's just an unfourtunate thing that rap music seems to have this stigma attatched to it that it is only for black people. Look at Eminem. He's white and *some* of the stuff he is saying has a certain meaning to it (not the stuff that talks about raping and killing his mom or something)

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^^^You end your rant, I'll start mine.

I listen to hiphop. I ride around town with my windows down with Busta Rhymes playing. I have 75 hiphop cds (no shit).

I DO NOT think I'm black. I DO NOT talk in ebonics. I DO NOT dress anywhere close to black.


Stop generalizing. You just straight insulted me and didn't know it.

What if I were to say "These little kids that listen to trance, I don't get it, all it is is some bass and hi hats over and over and over. They all just suck on pacifiers and take drugs. Fuck, their music doesn't even have lyrics! How the fuck can they feel that shit?"

hmmmmmm.....bet you'd bounce back with something, wouldn't you?

Educate yourself about the culture before you insult it. Once you can talk to me about hiphp and actually know what you are talking about, you won't sound like a fuckin' idiot. Good Day.

Damn, I can't post fast enough, lol.

To the post above my last one...

I don't think racism ever really crossed your minds. I know it's mostly a black culture.

But Eminem is the worst example you could come up with. Em is one of the most hated people in underground hiphop. So is Ja Rule, so is Jay-Z, so are alot of the people you guys say suck.

Like I said. Educate yourself, then talk.