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Originally posted by Xavier never trance & underground till I die! Thank God teeny boppers have only heard of producers Darude, ATB, Sash, Iio and those poofter prodcuers Safri Duo, Kosheen. And f*ck channel 9 and channel 7 for playing my favourite Ferry Corsten remix ie William Orbit - Barber's Adagio For Strings. And radio stations for playing the Ferry Corsten remix of Catch. ASSHOLES! Thank God the rest of Ferry Corsten's productions are out of 13 to 16 year old's hands. F*CK you boppers and bopper djs!

Listen, if their was no "commercial" stuf their would be no underground - quite simply guys thats what it comes down to.

Younger people are being exposed to harder edged stuf via Sydney's "big name" Djs and have been breast fed hardhouse - with their new found knowledge of music they go in search of something else that their pre-pubecent hands get a hold of.

I understand your bitterness towards them, but i myself am young and live in Sydney and refuse to be "catergorized" and placed in a box with my age written boldly on the front of it for ppl to judge me on it. Age has meant and has always meant nothing to me ive been listening to electronic music for 6 years now and it has my age has never been in the equation. Music is something that should unite not seperate but i beleive the people to which u are refering to are those of the Wild FM boppers who feed upon any commercial trash thats given to them.

I understand what many of u have said but understand this;

All of us started some where whether we be proud of it or not.
Its not their musical choice that we should be condoning its their attitude to which they exploit. Im sick of Sydney teens walking around pretending no one can touch them and that everything they get into their grubby hands is a right.

In conclusion guys, watch the broad sweeping statements about young electronic music followers in Sydney and in Oz as like yourselves, they have to start some where, where they become more educated about their music and realize that a self indulged, immature, sleazy, often slutty behaviour exploited by young girls to which foolish males follow at events is no way to propel our ever growing dance industry in Australia to new heights.

Last edited by :CrasHeR-kiD: on Apr-17-2002 at 03:03

Okay I think I'm gonna have to take the middle ground here.

I agree with Crasher-Kid that hearing proper electronic music on the radio can only be a good thing: if it gets people into the music, which in turn means more people at big events, which in turn means more big name djs more frequently, then I'm all for it. If you want a description of how I got into electronic music (which was via the radio btw) you can check the "techno essentials" thread in the Music Discussion room - but yeah, given that we all have to start somewhere, at the end of the day I'd rather have people listening to Darude and ATB on the radio, than to Maralyn Mason or Brittney Spears.

If an electronic tune charts, it's usually on its own merits. Remember: people like Darude and ATB may be cheesy, but they don't get the kind of media exposure that the stars of other music genres get. Brittney Spears could record herself urinating for 3.5 minutes and it would still go top ten, simply because of the publicity her name generates. Before Darude charted, he was a no name consigned to uploading tracks onto mp3.com (which was where he got signed up from originally). He went from a no-name amateur producing music in an unpopular genre to acheiving top ten success all around the world. Now I hate Sandstorm with a passion (and I did even before it was popular) but I can still appreciate that Darude did incredibly well to become as successful as he did. Sandstorm (with those droning synths) isn't a chart friendly song - so couldn't have been written specifically to make money - but it charted anyway. I think it's a cheesy song, but not particularly commercial. So I've gotta give credit where it's due, and congratulate Darude for writing a song suitable for converting the heathen to a decent form of music.

However, while I don't mind tunes charting, or getting radio/TV exposure etc, I do mind when tracks are written specifically to get into the charts. The sole purpose of Brittney Spears' existence is to make money for her managers: neither they nor she give a flying fuck about music. From an electronica perspective, I could cite Alice Deejay and the Vengaboys as being club-lands equivolent: they exist solely to chart and make lots of money.

That isn't music, that's bullshit.

So, in short, I guess what I'm trying to say (in a 2am, tired, bleary-eyed kinda way) is that there's nothing wrong with electronic music getting played on the radio, so long as the tracks weren't written for exactly that reason (and, I suspect, money/fame are part of the reason that Kosheen went from making decent, underground d'n'b music to making that vocal, poppy shite we've been subjected to over the past 6 months).

I don't mind a tune sounding cheesy, but when it's been written specifically to gain public apeal and make lots of money, then I start to raise a few objections. It should be music for music's sake, not for the sake of money.

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Sometimes I almost cringe when I hear songs on the radio like alligator project

Thanks for bringing it up. That tune is da bomb.