Never tried Massive, guess I should. It gets mentioned a lot around here. I see there's a demo. I'm sure it has something I can use. About every VSTi I try offers something unique. I haven't even gotten into the FM8 yet.

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Originally posted by Lolo macbook core duo 2ghz, an axiom keyboard, and m-audio bx-5's @ home, and mdr7506 headphones on the go. FM8 is quite decent but I can easily get the same results with operator for what I want, so it's quite redundant. L.

Hah, well now I can see why your replacing FM8 with operator, I personally found it too hard to use, but I can see how someone with more experience could make it work

My computer's a 2.26 or something, and I don't play live, which probably explains why I'm not too bothered about massive being a massive CPU hog, a few clicks and crackles arent a problem when its only you listening after all. So your going to be using just Operator and Sampler live Lolo? I'd be curious to know whether you found a CPU reduction from that, do you find it helps?

Anyway, Massive's pretty great, but I actually prefer FM8/Absynth/Pro 53 for the stuff I do, I'm no great programmer though so I'm sure you can get equal results out of all of them. FM8 just seems to sit really well in a mix for me, I don't know why exactly.

it's simple, once I press a note in fm8, I get like 6 or 7% cpu and its architecture is great but a little too complicated to program, while operator is 4 osc for 4%, but I reckon without built-in fx. And you gotta know, I haven't been using factory presets for a while. I hate that. Operator is a swiss army knife, it has everything I need at my fingertips in a snap. So why bother.

As for Sampler, the big thing about it is that you can important ALL EXS files, including garageband's jam packs without having to rely on something like cdxtract. This with a way better RAM handling. And sampler is simply incredible compared to EXS24's interface when you make multisamples on your own.

Ah and I sold my logic pro 7, but I still have one for sale (my colleague's in fact), for those interested...

The only thing that I wouldn't sell now is my copy of Reason 3, because although it's quite redundant too, it's nice having the choice of a different vibe sometimes, and Reason has a decent vocoder. Those using cubase and fruityloops on the same machine can tell, I guess.

The only improvement I'd love to see in the rewire protocol is the send of audio data to the slave then sent back to the master, so I would spare some time having to transfer a file to NN-XT just for a vocoder fx. One day will come, hopefully...

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Oh OK, I see what you mean, programming FM8 is hard, good to know I'm not the only one who has trouble with that I guess if operator does what you want then FM8 is overkill. I never used EXS24 so I can't comment on that, but having all your plugins in one system (and window) has to count for something I guess!

Reason never worked for me, same as you, I found that it was just unworkable for anything to do with audio, and I am a vocalist to start, so that's no good for me! Sounds like a cool setup you got now though!

fm8 is fantastic, and programming it isnt hard, you need to have alot of patience in the beginning to figure out how everything works and after that making patches will be easy.
i love it, fm synthesis is very flexible, you can make any sound you have in your head!