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Originally posted by mcleod I don't even know what to say to that idiocy...

Evidently, you're the one holding the flag on the right...

Or are you just one of those anti-Bush-demagogs that's too blinded-by-hate to see what's really going on over there?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Evidently, you're the one holding the flag on the right... Or are you just one of those anti-Bush-demagogs that's too blinded-by-hate to see what's really going on over there?

Because everything is black and white, right? Do you actually believe that people(all) opposed to the war are in agreement with terrorists? Must be quite the experience living in that reality of yours...

You act like it's such a shock that a country is fighting a proxy war, something that the US has done and been doing for many many years. And no, i don't agree with what Iran has been doing.

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Originally posted by mcleod Because everything is black and white, right? Do you actually believe that people(all) opposed to the war are in agreement with terrorists?

I would be first to admit things aren't THAT black and white but where else would you suggest we stand?
Play pacifist and let the terrorists do their thing because I don't agree with 'the war'?
The terrorists have proven time and time again that they don't follow international rules of engagement, kill innocent civilians indiscriminatly and will do anything to forward their Jihad agenda.
Am I understanding you correctly that you want us to sit on our hands and ignore that because we don't agree with one aspect of what constitutes the single biggest threat of our generation?
I'm beginning to worder about your world

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Must be quite the experience living in that reality of yours...

Actually it's quite awesome thanks

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You act like it's such a shock that a country is fighting a proxy war, something that the US has done and been doing for many many years.

Sorry if I do, but you're right, it's hardly surprising.
I'm not saying OK USA here and that they're the apple of my eye but given the choice, I'd rather be flying my flag with theirs under the gun.

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And no, i don't agree with what Iran has been doing.

Well, at least we agree on something

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I would be first to admit things aren't THAT black and white but where else would you suggest we stand? Play pacifist and let the terrorists do their thing because I don't agree with 'the war'? The terrorists have proven time and time again that they don't follow international rules of engagement, kill innocent civilians indiscriminatly and will do anything to forward their Jihad agenda. Am I understanding you correctly that you want us to sit on our hands and ignore that because we don't agree with one aspect of what constitutes the single biggest threat of our generation? I'm beginning to worder about your world

There are much bigger problems in this world and terrorism isnt one of them,so open you mind(I doubt you can) and you might just begin to think a little differently.Go live your fuckin life and stop calling everyone terrorists ffs.

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I'd just like to offer this critisism Document_iran_c_mn NATO officials say ain't it nato that invaded afghanastan... usually evidence linking your enemies to assisting your other enemies isn't all too 'solid' as far as legitimacy of evidnece in fog of war and 'propaganda' no propaganda doesn't happen anymore.. of course not. plus evidence can be doctored just like court cases and the news.

America invaded, NATO took over later.

I wouldn't examine these accusations in the light of, "evidence can be doctored so I won't believe it."

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There are much bigger problems in this world and terrorism isnt one of them

Terrorism is the biggest problem facing the world today. No other event is more dangerous than the worst-case senario terrorist attack, of which they have stated is there goal, evidenced by the numerous attacks, and plots foiled around the world; undeniable. One successful attack can change the world, as was evidenced by september 11. No other force has such potential to cause instability especially when it is by stateless, suicidal fanatics, and ironically many are educated. You cannot negociate with these people. Why we detracted from fighting al-qaida is not my question to answer, but because mistakes were made with Iraq doesn't mean the fight isn't worth or should be fought.

hardtrancer, I beg to differ on your opinion of terrorism.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer There are much bigger problems in this world and terrorism isnt one of them,so open you mind(I doubt you can) and you might just begin to think a little differently.

I'm supposed to open my mind to suicide bombers and beheadings because they 'think differently'?
Yea ok.

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Go live your fuckin life and stop calling everyone terrorists ffs.

You know it's people like you who don't know what they're talking about that so frustrating.
You think I'm painting the whole Muslim religion with the Jihad brush when countless times I've made my position quite clear it's the extremists who are to blame.
Feel free to bleat on with that CAIR-like attitude however, worrying about how everyone else thinks though...

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Originally posted by ******** ain't it nato that invaded afghanastan.

no.

the ISAF is a coalition of 37 countries asked to come in by the Afghan Transitional Authority and authorized unanimously by the UN.

Iran has nothing to do with, nor should it be allowed, to have ANYTHING to do with Afghanistan outside of it's border with her.

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The article is so lame ... reminiscent of the famous WMD's we-are-so-sure-we-know-they-have-them attitude. Last time I checked, for a proven fact, Pakistan is the hotbed and the infiltrating point for many guerillas into Afghanistan. No wonder why there's regular clashes on the border with islamists that are trying to get inside Afghanistan, and even talks about how Osama is in Pakistan. Oh, but we dont need to know that, ignore that. Ignore the massive anti-US and pro-Osama rallies in Islamabad and all over Pakistan. Lets blame Iran (WTF?) for supporting Al Qaeda, the terrorists and Taliban. Let's blame someone we dont like, and provide little if no evidence for the loud mouth ... as usual, eh?

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Iran is just asking for more economic/diplomatic disaster and I can't wait to see their asses handed to them.

New development...

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U.S.: NATO has intercepted Iranian arms By JAMEY KEATEN, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 1 minute ago PARIS - NATO has intercepted Iranian weapons shipments to Afghanistan's Taliban insurgents, providing evidence Iran is violating international law to aid a group it once considered a bitter enemy, a senior U.S. diplomat said Wednesday. "There's irrefutable evidence the Iranians are now doing this," Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns said on CNN. "It's certainly coming from the government of Iran. It's coming from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard corps command, which is a basic unit of the Iranian government." Speaking separately to The Associated Press, Burns said NATO must act to stop the shipments. The Iran-Afghanistan frontier is "a very long border. But the Iranians need to know that we are there and that we're going to oppose this." "It's a very serious question," he said, adding that Iran is in "outright violation" of U.N. Security Council resolutions. Burns did not give details on the scope of the alleged Iranian shipments, although he appeared to indicate that they were limited. "I don't think it's made a substantial difference in the greater theater of the war," he said. "It is not going to turn the tide against us, but it is very troublesome, it is illegal under international law ... and the Iranians need to stop it," Burns told the AP. Burns, who was holding talks in Paris, first accused Iran on Tuesday of transferring weapons to the Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan — the most direct comments yet on the issue by a ranking American official. In Afghanistan last week, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Iranian weapons were falling into the hands of anti-government Taliban fighters, but he stopped short of blaming Tehran. Iran's possible role in aiding insurgents in Iraq has been hotly debated, and last month some Western and Persian Gulf governments alleged that the Islamic government in Tehran is also secretly bolstering Taliban fighters. In an AP interview Monday, U.S. Army Gen. Dan McNeill said Taliban fighters are showing signs of better training, using combat techniques comparable to "an advanced Western military" in ambushes of U.S. Special Forces soldiers. "In Afghanistan it is clear that the Taliban is receiving support, including arms from ... elements of the Iranian regime," British Prime Minister Tony Blair wrote in the May 31 edition of the Economist. Iran, which is also in a dispute with the West over its nuclear program, denies the Taliban accusation, calling it part of a broad anti-Iranian campaign. Tehran says it makes no sense that a Shiite-led government like itself would help the fundamentalist Sunni movement of the Taliban. Burns acknowledged that it was "curious" that Iran would aid the Taliban. "It's quite surprising," he told CNN. "The Iranians had said that they were the mortal enemies of the Taliban in 2001 and '02." On the nuclear issue, Burns claimed that sanctions already leveled against Iran were being felt and reiterated the threat of more if the country refuses to suspend uranium enrichment — which the West fears could be meant for the production of nuclear weapons. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Wednesday dismissed the possibility that a third set of Security Council sanctions would harm Iran. Burns disagreed. "I think most people would say that the Iranians are experiencing considerable economic difficulties because of the financial sanctions that have been taken outside the Council and because of Security Council sanctions," he told CNN. While diplomatic solutions are preferable, "they will get sanctions if they choose confrontation," Burns said. "All of us want to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear weapons power. That's the policy of the entire world."

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LOL ... Taliban actually has a mailbox of some sort or an organized arms pick-up and trade agency set up? LOL ... Last time I checked, most gun battles are going on BESIDE PAKISTAN'S BORDER, so do the math from where the guns, militants and support is flowing. Secondly, we all know for a fact and from previous history that Iran HAS CLASHED before and is a bitter rival and enemy of Taliban. Different faith, different goals, different pretty much everything. Taliban was formed by US and its allies to fight anti-US forces and Iran and Taliban NEVER even established embassies because they hated each other so much. Plus the border clashes. Plus all the excursions by anti-Iranian Afghanistan-based and Pakistan-based militants that are somewhat funded by USA and Pakistan to undermine Iran from within. So its a bullshit story, just like a we-know-WMDs-were-there thing. US is just looking for an excuse to attack Iran, to take over its oil and gas fields, thats all.

US has done that before, and will never stop to try to seize Iranian resources (remember Operation Ajax?).

So do the math. Think of common sense. Drop the bullshit. Accusations against Iran with NO evidence but mere speculation are only making the situation in the region more tense and dangerous. Iran is clearly labeled as an enemy, some terrorist and such when we all know that actually all the real terrorists and militants are in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan right now. No more bullshit, please ;-) AND MOST OF THEM, THE CONFIRMED ONES ARE ACTUALLY COMING FROM PAKISTAN, SAUDI ARABIA, SYRIA ... NOT IRAN, I REPEAT NOT IRAN. Only very few if any are from Iran, and Iranian government just cant handcuff all its citizens.

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Excellent post Magnetonium,It is funny how people realize that Iran is actually against the Taliban and they have been for years.WHy the fuck would they start supporting them now?

According to the logic of some people here this all make sense,Iran is a terrorist nation (Bush says so) so therfore they must support every fuckin terrorists in this world.

The case that the U.S is trying to build agaisnt Iran is a fuckin joke and it will never work. Why arent they going after the real people that are giving arms to Taliban?where is the rage agaisnt Pakistan? whats even worst is seeing how some people are just blindly falling for their bullshit so called proofs.

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