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Originally posted by George Smiley Thanks for that imput, you really helped the debate!

i don't particularly care to if Arabs and Palestinians continue to refuse to help themselves given all the help they have already recieved.

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What do you define as a "viable state" and how is what you describe in place in Palestine?

your right it doesn't exist, now. however, that is no fault of the non-Arab international community, what i am part of.

Egypt is a viable state. Syria (a shithole) is a viable state. Lebanon is a viable state.

what is currently happening among Palestinians was totally inevitable given what they have been given, regardless of Israel.

if Israel was the excuse yesterday, then it sure as shit isn't today...and if you continue to think otherwise then you are no better than the Arabs who have doomed them to fail...ALL of them.

the Palestinians are a sick, sick people (not mentally for the most part, but as a society). the worst losers in all of history. aided and abbetted by indifferent, callous and murderous peers. and they have forced it upon THEMSELVES to remain standing the only ones who can heal them. they have forced upon THEMSELVES to be their only salvation. no one can help them. they won't let anyone help them.

Israel chose correctly a while back to wash their hands of them. Palestinians would do better to do the same with Israel. don't you agree?

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As usual no matter what happens its the'Jooos fault'. Muslims cannot take responsibility for anything they are lifes perpetual victims. You know the fat kid who eats all the fried chicken,chips and french fries then blames everyone else for his being fat and wants to sue McDonalds and KFC. Take a good look at this FICTIONAL state of Palestine and you will see what is in store for the future if the radicals ever get control.


Fatah vs Hamas - no one loses.

No matter who dies, there will be 72 virgins in paradise waiting.

The Fatah imams say so. The Hamas imams say so.

Everyone is a winner.

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Originally posted by LazFX As usual no matter what happens its the'Jooos fault'. Muslims cannot take responsibility for anything they are lifes perpetual victims. You know the fat kid who eats all the fried chicken,chips and french fries then blames everyone else for his being fat and wants to sue McDonalds and KFC. Take a good look at this FICTIONAL state of Palestine and you will see what is in store for the future if the radicals ever get control. Fatah vs Hamas - no one loses. No matter who dies, there will be 72 virgins in paradise waiting. The Fatah imams say so. The Hamas imams say so. Everyone is a winner.

well i'll be a monkey's uncle. look what the PDD drug in

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Originally posted by Q5echo well i'll be a monkey's uncle. look what the PDD drug in

I have taken the Shaolin Z approach.......to PDD


but....
it was actually M.Johan's tripe, I just could not resist........

I mean why does he or she always have to blame someone else for these people actions against each other? I mean really

plus I am bored at work tongiht

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Originally posted by Q5echo Israel chose correctly a while back to wash their hands of them. Palestinians would do better to do the same with Israel. don't you agree?

I want Israel to wipe their hands clean of Palestine! But they haven't. Oslo was a joke and Camp David was little better. Neither peace summit addressed final status issues (you know, the issues that provoke Palestinian terrorism) which meant both were doomed to fail. Neither "offer" gave the Palestinians a viable state to establish some kind of normalacy, instead, it just preserved the status quo. If you want the Palestinians to vote for the moderates instead of Hamas, then Israel needs to withdraw from all occupied territories and the settlers can either stay where they are under Palestinian law or go home to America. Until those conditions are met there will never be peace and no amount of bullshit or spin from people like you will ever pursuade anybody that Israel has EVER offered the Palestinians plausible agreement that would bring about peace.

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Originally posted by LazFX As usual no matter what happens its the'Jooos fault'.

Your argument loses any respectability at this point, which is a shame because it's the first thing you say (tho I find it rather telling how you equate religious extremism to Fatah...)

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Originally posted by George Smiley If you want the Palestinians to vote for the moderates instead of Hamas, then Israel needs to withdraw from all occupied territories and the settlers can either stay where they are under Palestinian law or go home to America. Until those conditions are met there will never be peace and no amount of bullshit or spin from people like you will ever pursuade anybody that Israel has EVER offered the Palestinians plausible agreement that would bring about peace.

See Q, this is the Fat Kid who wants to sue KFC

So the in-fighting is all Israel's fault?? Every last bit of it huh? The poor Palestinians that are dying in the streets at this very moment from the in-fighting.... ITS ALL THE JEWS FAULT...

Do you smell what you are shoveling.... when the hell are you going to accept that responsibility, screw that; when are the Palestinians going to accept responsibility for THEIR ACTIONS......


the title of the thread was
Fierce Gaza fighting sparks fears of civil war not "lets blame Israel for everything.... pathetic, completely and totally pathetic

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Originally posted by George Smiley Until those conditions are met there will never be peace .

and the current situation reflects as much?

there's no spin going on here dude. i'm just calling it like i see it. you can't spin this crap thats for sure.

saying Oslo wasn't good enough or Camp David sucked or the 6 day war was unfair is more spin than anything. it's shit like that that would have made Arafat proud.

all the excuses makes rational people wanna puke and Iran get a hard on. GOD you f**king people are delusional.

you deserve what you have.

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Originally posted by George Smiley Your argument loses any respectability at this point, which is a shame because it's the first thing you say (tho I find it rather telling how you equate religious extremism to Fatah...)

I tell you what jorge, when Hamas and Fatah or any so called movement, Hizbolla too, drops all of the religious undertones and leaves that focked up pedo's teachings at the door, then maybe the rest of the world will come to the table and give them respect.

in the mean time....



oh and before I get slammed for the pedo remark...

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The thought of an old man becoming aroused by a child is one of the most disturbing thoughts that makes us cringe as it reminds us of pedophilia and the most despicable people. It is difficult to accept that the Holy Prophet married Aisha when she was 6-years-old and consummated his marriage with her when she was 9. He was then, 54 years old. Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310: 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old. Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64 Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65 Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)' Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88 Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). Some Muslims claim that it was Abu Bakr who approached Muhammad asking him to marry his daughter. This is of course not true and here is the proof. Sahih Bukhari 7.18 Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."

what a shame.... and this is what is the underlying base to all of the blood shed with in the muslim faith.....not just Palestine, but every where else murder is commited in the name of the islamic faith...

and I thought the story of absalom was messed up

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Originally posted by LazFX See Q, this is the Fat Kid who wants to sue KFC So the in-fighting is all Israel's fault?? Every last bit of it huh? The poor Palestinians that are dying in the streets at this very moment from the in-fighting.... ITS ALL THE JEWS FAULT...

Why is it always "Jews"? Is that the only "argument" you can come back with? FYI, no, it is not all the Jews, sorry, Israel's fault. Many factors have contributed such as the corruption of Fatah, the elcetion of Hamas and their fucked up views of the destruction of Israel. But you cannot extract those factors, that do so much damage to the Palestinian's cause, from the context they are being acted out in - namely, the lack of a viable state and the conditions such a state would provide for consolidation and I'm sorry but a great proportion of that blame must lie with Israel and their policies (particularly regarding the Settlements in the West Bank which is probably the number one reason the Palestinians are pissed off and the number one reason why Israel implements the policies it does - on behalf of the Settlers)

I shall ignore the rest of your post

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Originally posted by George Smiley I shall ignore the rest of your post

yeah I ignored all the FACTS as well when I started to realize that my religion was full of shite as well........ as well as responsible for millions of deaths through out mankind's time on this pale blue dot..

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Originally posted by Q5echo and the current situation reflects as much? there's no spin going on here dude. i'm just calling it like i see it. you can't spin this crap thats for sure. saying Oslo wasn't good enough or Camp David sucked or the 6 day war was unfair is more spin than anything. it's shit like that that would have made Arafat proud. all the excuses makes rational people wanna puke and Iran get a hard on. GOD you f**king people are delusional. you deserve what you have.

The funny thing is you call me "delusional" yet outside of America you'd be hard pressed to find large swathes of support for your point of view. Perhaps you're the delusional one being brainwashed by AIPAC like the rest of your country folk? Perhaps 9/11 has made you hate all Arabs and Muslims and you take great pleasure in portraying them all as some sort of monsters?

And having done lots of research on Oslo and Camp David accords I'd be happy to carry on that debate in another thread if you like?

Also, I don't know what you mean by the 67 war being "unfair"? If you ask me Israel did what it had to do and it's occupation was down to valid security issues.