Goa = Hippies + acid + drum machines + synths

ex. Astral Projection - Mahadeva

Psytrance = Robots on LSD with drum machines and synths

ex. Bizarre Contact

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Originally posted by Philby i think of some psy trance as being reliant on sounding trippy and out there for the sake of it and using the same old samples from sci fi movies and speeches about drugs whereas goa seems to have a bigger focus on melodies? i dunno thats just my take.

I'm very, very new to Goa and Psy, but I tend to agree with this.

To me, Goa seems to be far more melody based, with a slightly softer sound and less emphasis on kick drums, but melodies that you can lose yourself in.

On the other hand, psy seems to be much harder, with bigger emphasis on kick drums, and those deep acidic basslines. The melodies seem to be an enhancement to psy-trance tracks, not the focus as in Goa.

Organic vs artificial isn't too badder way to look at it either; I think this is a good way to explain it.

On another note: Domestic - Non Human. Great track.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog I'm very, very new to Goa and Psy, but I tend to agree with this. To me, Goa seems to be far more melody based, with a slightly softer sound and less emphasis on kick drums, but melodies that you can lose yourself in. On the other hand, psy seems to be much harder, with bigger emphasis on kick drums, and those deep acidic basslines. The melodies seem to be an enhancement to psy-trance tracks, not the focus as in Goa. Organic vs artificial isn't too badder way to look at it either; I think this is a good way to explain it. On another note: Domestic - Non Human. Great track.

Yes, melody and particular modes in the indian musical tradition are usually essential to goa trance, then there are degrees of everything. There are goa tracks with melodies flying around like crazy from start to finish, then there are tracks with small hints of melody and more focus on other non-melodic elements.

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Originally posted by SMC You're completely leaving out the aspect of composition, in which the key characterstics of goa trance lie. It's not like people stopped writing melodies in the modes associated with goa trance just because they got a new computer.

I don't see how goa and psy are composed in different ways. I'm still 1000% sure that there are NO, or at least to be more accurate, there WERE NO differences between these two names in the 90s (yeah i know same argument again but its fun lol). It was just a different way to refer to the one and same thing, in much the same way that today's people call melodic trance in different ways such as uplifting, epic, melodic, euphoric, anthem or whatever. It is just that there were so many stuff coming out from the Psy/Goa genre, that people struggled to find actual differences, trying to perceive and categorize the two imaginary genres as different, whereas in reality there weren't any actual differences at all. In Ishkur's words "hell, there are too many good stuff to fit just under one genre!" The only broad difference i could find of back in the day was betwen the European "dark" or "night" genre and the Israeli "melodic" or "morning" genre. But these were not absolute and there were definitelly interchangeable.

The difficulty in distinquishing between the two genres can be viewed in the fact that each person can have a completely different conception of what is categorised and/or perceived as psy and what is categorised and/or perceived as goa. Some would insist that goa is an old genre that doesn't exist anymore referring to stuff such as juno Reactor and Transwave as goa, but i'm sure that i've seen these names in countless 90s psy compilations and i don't think that these projects would have a problem to categorize themselves as psy. Some others would say that whilst such a distinction was actually absent in the past, it is not anymore.


But yeah anyway i'm not going for this endless argument again!

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Originally posted by PETRAN I don't see how goa and psy are composed in different ways. I'm still 1000% sure that there are NO, or at least to be more accurate, there WERE NO differences between these two names in the 90s (yeah i know same argument again but its fun lol). It was just a different way to refer to the one and same thing, in much the same way that today's people call melodic trance in different ways such as uplifting, epic, melodic, euphoric, anthem or whatever. It is just that there were so many stuff coming out from the Psy/Goa genre, that people struggled to find actual differences, trying to perceive and categorize the two imaginary genres as different, whereas in reality there weren't any actual differences at all. In Ishkur's words "hell, there are too many good stuff to fit just under one genre!" The only broad difference i could find of back in the day was betwen the European "dark" or "night" genre and the Israeli "melodic" or "morning" genre. But these were not absolute and there were definitelly interchangeable. The difficulty in distinquishing between the two genres can be viewed in the fact that each person can have a completely different conception of what is categorised and/or perceived as psy and what is categorised and/or perceived as goa. Some would insist that goa is an old genre that doesn't exist anymore referring to stuff such as juno Reactor and Transwave as goa, but i'm sure that i've seen these names in countless 90s psy compilations and i don't think that these projects would have a problem to categorize themselves as psy. Some others would say that whilst such a distinction was actually absent in the past, it is not anymore. But yeah anyway i'm not going for this endless argument again!

Well, you just did. We've had this (long) debate before, it would be pointless to repeat the same things all over again. So DON'T BRING IT UP, damn it.

The question we should be asking: What do they have in common?

1)
psy trance = awesome when tripping
goa trance = awesome when tripping

2) They both have three letters in their names.

3) Teisto sucks arse.

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Originally posted by Xenocreator_PG_ The question we should be asking: What do they have in common? 1) psy trance = awesome when tripping goa trance = awesome when tripping 2) They both have three letters in their names. 3) Teisto sucks arse.

You sir are made of win.

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Originally posted by Xenocreator_PG_ The question we should be asking: What do they have in common? 1) psy trance = awesome when tripping goa trance = awesome when tripping 2) They both have three letters in their names. 3) Teisto sucks arse.

How about they are both just awesome?

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Originally posted by Xenocreator_PG_ The question we should be asking: What do they have in common? 1) psy trance = awesome when tripping goa trance = awesome when tripping 2) They both have three letters in their names. 3) Teisto sucks arse.

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Originally posted by Darkarbiter How about they are both just awesome?

That would be a lie

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Originally posted by Allied Nations That would be a lie

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