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Originally posted by exstasie It sucks balls! Even not during rush hour times when there are parked cars in the right lane...and yoru stuck behind a street car... I hate street cars...I peresonally think they need to do something to improve the subway service...but what do I know...

Subway service needs to improve, but the LRT system will greatly improve transit in this city, and take a major load off the Subway routes too.

Thanks for the link. This is a good thing for TO obviously, whether they'll be outdated when implemented or not.

I'm pro trams all the way

They make very sexy transport.

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Ontario unveils $17-billion transit plan JEFF GRAY Globe and Mail Update June 15, 2007 at 1:39 PM EDT TORONTO — Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty has pledged $17.5-billion for rapid transit projects across greater Toronto and Hamilton in a massive pre-election move that provides a massive boost to the TTC's ambitious light-rail network plans and calls for the extension of the Yonge subway line. Friday's announcement will see the province partly fund 52 rapid-transit projects in the next 12 years. Unlike other recent announcements, the province is committing to fund two-thirds of the costs, up from its usual one-third share of recent years. It is calling on the federal government to fund the remaining third of the cost, eliminating the capital burden for cash-strapped municipalities. The plans include a dozen GO train line extensions, as well as new GO lines that would cut across Toronto and 10 new bus rapid transit lines, most in the 905 belt of suburbs around Toronto. York Region's VIVA transit system, and Kitchener-Waterloo's light rail plans will also receive funding, the government said. Some of the projects have languished as unfunded proposals for years. The change in this financing formula is a major shift, signifying something akin to a return to the model brought in by premier Bill Davis in the 1970s, which saw the province fund 75 per cent of the capital costs of rapid transit. Overall, 902 kilometres of new or improved rapid-transit routes will be built by 2020, the province says, creating 175,000 jobs during their construction, which is supposed to start in 2008. The projects include: - extending the TTC's Yonge subway line up to Highway 7 - electrifying the GO Lakeshore lines, which will make a trip from Hamilton 15 minutes faster and reduce emissions - boost capacity on other GO Train lines - expand bus service across Highway 407 - build two rapid-transit lines across Hamilton - commit funds to the TTC's $6-billion Transit City plan, which calls for seven new light-rail routes crisscrossing Toronto. Also included is the Hurontario light rail line from Brampton to Mississauga, as well as a light rail line along Dundas Street West from Kipling station to Hurontario Street. The province also pledged to fund an extension of the Scarborough RT from McCowan station to Sheppard. The province had already committed to a $2-billion project to extend the TTC's Spadina subway line north to Vaughan. The government says the projects will be financed over 50 years, and that road tolls – currently a hot topic among transportation experts – will “not be necessary”.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH

Although this is interesting - I hope it also includes upgrading the current streetcar/LRT system.

Currently, streetcars are probably the worst way to get around town:

1) They are frequently full to the point where you cannot get on.
2) They are infrequent and often require long waits during daytime service.
3) They are not air conditioned - which is becoming increasingly important with warmer, longer summers.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Although this is interesting - I hope it also includes upgrading the current streetcar/LRT system. Currently, streetcars are probably the worst way to get around town: 1) They are frequently full to the point where you cannot get on. 2) They are infrequent and often require long waits during daytime service. 3) They are not air conditioned - which is becoming increasingly important with warmer, longer summers.

I agree. The streetcar system here is atrocious. I blame it on the fact that there's not enough dedicated lanes for street cars. If we had dedicated lanes for them, then more streetcars could be sent out to increase the frequency, and in turn help create more space. Not to mention that it would eliminate a lot of traffic problems that exist simply because cars and streetcars have to share one lane.

Warsaw's streetcar system is amazing. Dedicated lanes, frequent AND punctual service during the day (every 10-15 minutes all day). If a street car is full you can wait 10 minutes for the next one, or take another route to catch a lift closer to your destination.

The impression I get from the new LRT system here is that they'll actually build and upgrade existing routes. The Waterfront west line is currently a streetcar line that they're planning on upgrading to an LRT line. I doubt they'll do anything about lines such as College St or Queen st though.

50 year plan huh? great most of us will be like 70-80 by then .. too bad they didn't keep at this 25 years ago..

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Very nice! Reminds alot of the streetcars in Melbourne, but they call them Trams there. Very nice, efficient and quick

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH So wait...are these going to replace the current street car lines or will there be new ones built? edit nevermind. saw the map.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by infinity HiGH
I agree. The streetcar system here is atrocious. I blame it on the fact that there's not enough dedicated lanes for street cars. If we had dedicated lanes for them, then more streetcars could be sent out to increase the frequency, and in turn help create more space. Not to mention that it would eliminate a lot of traffic problems that exist simply because cars and streetcars have to share one lane.

Warsaw's streetcar system is amazing. Dedicated lanes, frequent AND punctual service during the day (every 10-15 minutes all day). If a street car is full you can wait 10 minutes for the next one, or take another route to catch a lift closer to your destination.

The impression I get from the new LRT system here is that they'll actually build and upgrade existing routes. The Waterfront west line is currently a streetcar line that they're planning on upgrading to an LRT line. I doubt they'll do anything about lines such as College St or Queen st though. [/QUOTE

I can speak for Warsaw and Krakow's systems. Lightyears ahead of what we have here. Actually I was in Amsterdam, and Prague this February. Same thing, No trouble getting around and I didn't even know the connecting routes very well.

Trams can be a GREAT SUCCESS when done right.
Build the infrastructure FIRST, then the demand for it will come. The other way around is ass backwards.

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Smartest thing they could have done for the subway is extend the Yonge line up to Highway 7. The amount of people commuting into Finch every day, only to ride further south to downtown, or along Yonge, is incredible.

Finch is the busiest transit hub in the city, and it just amazed me that they gave priority to the University subway line for the last announcement.