Oh and just for emc^2, a little game...

Can you tell me what the Arabic writing in this poster says?

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Originally posted by George Smiley Who the fuck is defending Islamic militancy?!

He's trying to portray their behavior as "acceptable" because he claims that every religion has extremists who act in this manner. But this is a gross misinterpretation of the fact, considering that militancy in (say) buddhism or hinduism is not as a global problem as islamic militancy is.

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The resolution added that the award would encourage ‘contempt’ for the Prophet Mohammed.

from my perspective, it is islam's lack of respect for any other culture or idea that encourages my contempt for the prophet.

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Originally posted by Omega_M He's trying to portray their behavior as "acceptable" because he claims that every religion has extremists who act in this manner. But this is a gross misinterpretation of the fact, considering that militancy in (say) buddhism or hinduism is not as a global problem as islamic militancy is.

I don't think he was at all. The OP has gone out of his way to claim that all Muslims are extremists because of the actions of a few. Others have pointed out his stupidity by drawing his attention to the fact that ALL religions have their extremists, and therefore, if you want to label an entire culture as extremists because of the actions of a few, then you cannot stop at Islam and must include Jews and Christians.

I agree there are more Islamic extremists in the world but that's not the point is it?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN from my perspective, it is islam's lack of respect for any other culture or idea that encourages my contempt for the prophet.

That's because your 'perspective' has only been informed about Islam via Fox news etc

eta: not that I have any respect for any religion over another but it seems hypocritical to single out one religion (based on an extreme version of that religion, while not drawing attention to any of the other religions that are exactly the same and have their similar proportion of extremists

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Originally posted by George Smiley Oh and just for emc^2, a little game... Can you tell me what the Arabic writing in this poster says?

i'll bite. what does it say?

is that the Western Wall in Jerusalem?

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Originally posted by George Smiley That's because your 'perspective' has only been informed about Islam via Fox news etc

well, as an australian we don't even get fox news so im wondering where you got that lovely assumption from? FYI part of my honours year was comprised of terrorism courses so im not some slack-jawed yokel.

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Originally posted by George Smiley eta: not that I have any respect for any religion over another but it seems hypocritical to single out one religion (based on an extreme version of that religion, while not drawing attention to any of the other religions that are exactly the same and have their similar proportion of extremists

firstly, this thread is about islam. if you wanna make another one bashing catholicism, i'll join that too. secondly, define "extreme" islam. tell me how it is different from "moderate" islam. the differences tend to stem from differences in interpretation (or action) over different parts of the koran. not dissimilar from old testament to new testament adherents. who is to say so-called "extremist" islamists just have a superior understanding of the koran than the so-called "moderates"?

furthermore, i would argue that people in public office, are either a) moderate muslims or b) elected in part by moderate muslims. and here they are demanding apologies or retractions? give me a fucking break. if you can't see that islam (moderate or otherwise)c an be in complete opposition to western concepts such as freedom of expression, then i wonder... the christians might kick up a stink from time to time, but i don't recall the last time christians went on a rampage, burned infrastructure and killed people because of a perceived blasphemy in cartoon form.

i am certainly not doubting that all religions cause many many deeply ingrained problems in all our societies. but it isn't the 6 o'clock news that is skewing our opinions, its the simple fact that militant islamists go farther in their protests than their counterparts. whether this is an inherent problem with islam i dont know, but the problem is certainly there. to deny such i think somebody is a little too pre-occupied with political correctness and too scared to call a spade a spade.

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The bigger issue here is the fact that (like all the book banning people in the U.S. in the 50s and 60s that led Bradbury to write Farenheit 451) most likely none of the people raising a hubub have ever even seen a copy of the Satanic Verses, much less read it.

I don't think anyone is going off of anyone's opinion but the one of those who convinced Khomeini to declare a fatwa in 89.

I am planning on checking this out this week and read it to see if there is actually anything there to base all this idiocy on. Including the knighting him part.

MrS

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Originally posted by George Smiley No shit Sherlock. Now explain why we should view all Muslims as extremists?

Well, why don't you tell me how to view them? I mean - here you are, using all this energy to allude to some point, yet always so carefully tip-toeing your way around it. Let me turn the table around. Suppose we don't view every Muslim as terrorist. Do you think this world would a) be safer b) more peaceful c) bridge the gap between "us" and "them"?

Also, scenario based question:
Say you're on a bus, train, plane, whatever - mass transportation. In walks in a dude, wearing typical muslim grab. He's carrying a backpack and looks obviously nervious. He then sits in the corner, avoiding eye contact, while fumbling with his bag. You notice a bead of sweat running down his forehead. What do you think and do at that point?

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What difference do the methods used to kill make? Manchester city centre was devestated by Nationalist terrorists from Northern Ireland and many people died, what difference does it make whether they put the bomb in a bin or under their shirt?

Please no nit-picking here. We're talking about extremists - so, in that sense, makes no difference if you use a car bomb or other device - murder is murder. Interesting how you bring Ireland into conversation. I wonder what your views are on England's occupation of Ireland, Scottland... heck, all other colonies. Not to change the subject, but I also find it rather interesting when I read about links between Hammas/Fattah/other PLO militant groups and IRA bomb making experts taking a trip to train those very same group in their "art". Moving on...

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Can you explain to me why you are so keen to convince everyone that all Muslims are extremists? This seems to be a bit of reoccurring theme with your posts - care to explain?

Actually George, I say statistics would prove me wrong - so, no, not all Muslims are extremists. As a matter of fact, I know quite a few that are "moderate" even what you'd call... "modern" in their views. Funny enough, many of them are Iranian. Yet, part of the problem is that it's impossible to distinguish non-radical from radical. Therefore, a basic principle of security should be considered: assume all are hostile until proven otherwise. Sorry, such are the rules of engagement. Not fair? Racist? Near-sighted? YOU BETCHA! But between being an alive biggot or dead, naive hippie, I chose option "A". You can thank the radicals for that. Oh, and just in case it bothered "moderates" - I figure they'd do something about it, to sort of improve the "image". Just as an example, I'm sure that should catholics start bombing baptists or whatever other faith vs faith - the LAW would promptly step in and defend HUMAN LIFE. I don't see too much of "life-saving measures" being too-widespread or preached by Islam. Quite the contrary, to be percise.

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Your problem is that you are 10 years old and have sneaked onto your mum's computer when she wasn't looking. And if you're not 10 years ols I suggest you start acting like it because as you may have noticed, not a lot of people take you very seriously.

George, you know - I was wondering what kept me awake all these nights and you finally opened my eyes to it! I really care about someone else's opinion of me or how I'm taken.

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Now, for the last time, if you want to debate Islamic extremists then fine, but as soon as you attempt to portray every Muslim on Earth as being an extremists then you have no argument, there will be no debate, and instead, you will be viewed as the bigot that you are.

George, I make ABSOLUTELY NO EFFORT TO HIDE MY BIASED VIEWS. I am 100% biased. I don't trust muslims. period. Shit, I even find myself often talking to my muslim "aquantances", thinking that this guy could be a bomber. It's a sad situation but that's the world we're living in, like it or not.

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Originally posted by emc^2 P.s. I'd be willing to bet a decent chunk of money that there's at least a few in the very same community that are currently either thinking or planning or at the very least sympathetic to jihad cause. It's not a question of "if". It's a question of "when". I hope I'm wrong, though. The very nature of religion permits this. It promotes killing, blodshed, and simple disregard for human life. quote: Ok I bet you £100 that there are hundreds of Muslims in the UK that adhere to an extremist vision of Islam and would be prepared to commit acts of terrorism against us. Shake?

Um... Isn't it what I said? That there are bunch of muslims that adhere to radical vision of Islam? What are we betting on again?

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You can't convince me that "moderates" is what I should be paying attention to. quote: You make no sense here. Nobody is stupid enough to fall for your little games of making up an argument that someone has supposedly said so you have an easier time "arguing" back. What you said above has emerged from your own head. I haven't said anything of the sort.

Ok George - so, you said "NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE EXTREMISTS". Right? So, what exactly was your point? I'm not arguing shit - I'm just laying it out as it is. Don't fucking flip flop, you said that shit and I made nothing up. I just re-stated what you said.

Actually, in spirit with my previous assertion of being a biased biggot, I would like to revise my statement about moderates and add this: I'm not just watching one hand - I'm watching both. To me, it makes no difference which hand is holding the gun. So, don't try to convince me that I shouldn't worry about the left hand, just because he has no gun in his right hand.

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You've basically decided you can't argue against what I'm saying (and if you really use your brain you'll realise I haven't even given my opinion on the subject for you to argue against) so instead you have invented an argument for me so that you can say your piece...poor, very poor (cue tirade of obscenities in place of a valid response, probably concerning my mum)

O, the fucking ego on YOU, boy. Shit, must be quite lonely on top of that high horse you rode in on. You know what George, that's the point - I've yet to see you make any sensible argument. Arguing against what you're saying is like talking to a wall - same results. I'm convinced that even if I spent the rest of my life trying to get you to face the facts, you'd just be turning your stupid mug around and saying "Show me proof! Show me proof! I don't see it!", while proof is right there - laid out in front of you.

...and there's no point in making jokes about your mom - having you as an offspring is already insulting enough to that poor woman. And there's nothing funny about that.

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hey George, who insults Islam more you think? Salmon Rushdie or the extremists who kill innocents in the name of Islam?

Lets see boys and girls....

Jesus says :Love your enemy...turn the other cheek.

Mohamed says : KILL EM ALL!! SPREAD Islam by the sword....






any questions

everyone should check out this web site, the more I read it and learn how Islam really is from the POV of ex muslims...the more I understand why as an agnostic, Islam is the most evil of all of the earth's myths.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/index.htm

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Faith Freedom International is a grassroots movement of ex-Muslims. Its goals are to (a) unmask Islam and show that it is an imperialistic ideology akin to Nazism but disguised as religion and (b) to help Muslims leave it, end this culture of hate caused by their "us" vs. "them" ethos and embrace the human race in amity. We strive for the unity of Mankind through the elimination of Islam, the most insidious doctrine of hate. Islam can't be reformed, but it can be eradicated. It can't be molded, but it can be smashed. It is rigid but brittle. That is why Muslims do not tolerate criticism of it. To eradicate Islam, all we have to do is tell the truth. It's that simple. The truth about Islam is out. It's all here in this site. Now it is up to you to spread it. With truth, the decent Muslims will leave Islam and with each Muslim that leaves, we gain a new soldier in our fight against terrorism. We are growing exponentially. The days of Islam are numbered and world peace is around the corner. Many of us will see that day. We might have to go through very tough times meanwhile. The storm is approaching.

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