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Originally posted by DJChrisB IMO, great for sequencing, but I would not use any of its instruments. They're all pretty weak.

I agree. Hence why I've got a few core VSTs and will be getting Reason 4 when it comes out.

Abelton is great when you bring some external things in.

Mixing could definitely be better but hey, hopefully Live 7 will add some much needed stuff.

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Sup Ben !! ableton is awesome goo for it, i invited u over my studio at thr Rank 1 and Blake jarrell concert last week...Remember ??

Or you could try Reaper @ www.reaper.fm which I find to be awesome. Then get a load of decent free vsti such as - Karmafx, Synth1, the free computer music sampler/beat sample player and for fx try kjaehusAudio, voxengo, sidekick, vanilla compressor etc.

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Originally posted by Ariyas Sup Ben !! ableton is awesome goo for it, i invited u over my studio at thr Rank 1 and Blake jarrell concert last week...Remember ??

Yes i do PM me your number.

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Originally posted by hereander I also use Live for composing and arranging. Mixing is quite a pain. You can easily route and insert sends but in the mixer (session view) it is quite difficult do keep your overview. Especially if you have separate midi and audio tracks for your percussions. Trackfolders and Hiding tracks would be really usefull here. I recomend bouncing and going to another sequencer at a certain point

thats what racks are for brotha

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thats what racks are for brotha

dunno what you mean... from what i see racks are for stacking and layering synths, combining them with effects and capsulating the whole thing. what does it have to do with routing midi or audio?
when i make drums for example i have

Midi1 "kicks" ->routed to GURU
Midi2 "hats" ->routed to GURU
Midi3 "percs" ->routed to GURU
GURU ->routed to
AUDIO1 <- from GURU SUBGOUP1 (kicks)
AUDIO2 <- from GURU SUBGOUP2 (hats)
AUDIO3 <- from GURU SUBGOUP3 (percs)

stuff like that makes the mixerview grow rapidly and you loose overview as you always have to scoll left and right. In Sonar I can just put all these things in a trackfolder and hide it when i am working on synths

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Originally posted by hereander dunno what you mean... from what i see racks are for stacking and layering synths, combining them with effects and capsulating the whole thing. what does it have to do with routing midi or audio? when i make drums for example i have Midi1 "kicks" ->routed to GURU Midi2 "hats" ->routed to GURU Midi3 "percs" ->routed to GURU GURU ->routed to AUDIO1 <- from GURU SUBGOUP1 (kicks) AUDIO2 <- from GURU SUBGOUP2 (hats) AUDIO3 <- from GURU SUBGOUP3 (percs) stuff like that makes the mixerview grow rapidly and you loose overview as you always have to scoll left and right. In Sonar I can just put all these things in a trackfolder and hide it when i am working on synths

right well i'm saying, make all your percs in 1 midi channel stack and either put a master fx on it or put it to a send. i'm not sure i know what GURU is and why you're routing it back to audio...

tell me what you're trying to accomplish and i'll see if i can help(and i also came from sonar so i've had to get some work arounds put together for similar things)

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 right well i'm saying, make all your percs in 1 midi channel stack and either put a master fx on it or put it to a send. i'm not sure i know what GURU is and why you're routing it back to audio... tell me what you're trying to accomplish and i'll see if i can help(and i also came from sonar so i've had to get some work arounds put together for similar things)

GURU is a Drumsampler and Stepsequencer. But youre right i recently started to have the drums in one miditrack but i have many of my own loops that i would have to convert. I am routing the different outputs of the drumsampler to different audiotracks to have different fx on them (like compresson or sidechain on the kick, different amounts of send-fx on different percussions). i guess that is how most people do it. i didnt say that theres something i cant do with abletons routing, in fact it is really easy with a few clicks. but at a certain point it starts looking messed up on the screen. this seems to be the tradeoff for all the other kick-ass features.

what i absolutely do not like about live is the way the midi oberdubbing works. the midirouting with in/auto/off is really annoying. maybe you can help me with this.
lets say i put a vsti on a track, i set the track to IN and play around with my midikeyboard. when i find something nice i activate recording and play. with the track set to IN i can only hear the stuff i recorded while recording is on. when i want to play it back i have to set it to AUTO. But now i cant try out additional stuff on my keyboard. i can only play along with the recorded stuff when i activate recording again, but then i cant try out stuff without recording it... i hope you understand what i mean.
same thing when i record some vsti stuff in midi and want to "practice" some cutoff tweakings before recording them. my only solution so far is to set the vsti track to IN, create another track where i put the recorded midiclip (this track set to AUTO and routed to the VSTi track) and another one to route the data from the midicontroller to the VSTi track, too. is there an easier way?

Well I really liked Ableton 6. The freeze effect is awesome and in many ways Ableton is easy to adjust from FL but the mixing is meh.
The automation interface is super meh. You can't type the number of percents you want to have at a certain point and hitting a certain point on the dot is really hard although I got around it after a while I still hate to do it.
Also I don't really know how to rout the internal drum sampler to different effects so I use different channels. And again, mixing it is such a bitch.
I'm really looking forward to Live 7. Maybe I'll move from FL.

Omer

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