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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN what purpose does the mercury serve in the immunisation? surely its not in there for shits and giggles? either way, thanks for the real resarch venom. i think Magnetonium needs a little reality in his paranoid world every now and again

Shut up, man, I am not that paranoid for christ's sake. I know the government is not out to kill our children, I am just wondering how negligent the medical companies can be and the risks posed to the kids.


Thanks venom for the research. I'll follow Firestarter's info when my child some years from now will need the vaccination ... Firestarter, let me know how that goes, OK?

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Shut up, man, I am not that paranoid for christ's sake. I know the government is not out to kill our children, I am just wondering how negligent the medical companies can be and the risks posed to the kids. Thanks venom for the research. I'll follow Firestarter's info when my child some years from now will need the vaccination ... Firestarter, let me know how that goes, OK?

So far, everything is going awesome

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We just had our baby a week ago. She has not had any immunizations yet (the hospital offeres to start the Hepatitis B vaccine on the spot, but doesn't force the issue). We decided to wait and just let the pediatrician do it. Turns out the pediatrician doesn't think it's necessary to do the HepB vaccine until 2 months. From the looks of the schedule, 2, 4, and 6 months look like they entail a few vaccinations/immunizations, though I am comfortable doing them. I am not aware of anything containing mercury--I shudder a bit at the thought. Is that something you've found evidence of in the U.S.?

This is a very serious topic and there is indeed some evidence that vaccinations in North America cause autism.

I remember some senators talking about this, like Ted Kennedy.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd This is a very serious topic and there is indeed some evidence that vaccinations in North America cause autism. I remember some senators talking about this, like Ted Kennedy.

Any senators that I can trust?

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd This is a very serious topic and there is indeed some evidence that vaccinations in North America cause autism. I remember some senators talking about this, like Ted Kennedy.

Proof or STFU. I hate when people talk about such a serious topic so lightly. Words have repercussions. There is NO link. Refer to my previous post.

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd This is a very serious topic and there is indeed some evidence that vaccinations in North America cause autism. I remember some senators talking about this, like Ted Kennedy.

There may be coorelations but I would go so far as to say, 'evidence'.

On the flip side though, I found an interesting article, "The Age of Autism: The Amish anomaly" that goes on about how an isolated community of Amish is mysteriously devoid of Autism cases other than ones that they know received vaccinations.
Now this isn't prove but it certainly gives pause for thought...

[edit] Sorry, forgot to link the article >>Source<<

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r There may be coorelations but I would go so far as to say, 'evidence'. On the flip side though, I found an interesting article, "The Age of Autism: The Amish anomaly" that goes on about how an isolated community of Amish is mysteriously devoid of Autism cases other than ones that they know received vaccinations. Now this isn't prove but it certainly gives pause for thought...

I read the article, and it's interesting. The thing is, other things explain the rise in autism better. We all know that if you look hard enough for correlations, you're bound to found something. Some more plausible explanations for the rise of autism are more awareness of the disease and the fact that the definition of autism has been broadened. A decrease in public stigma could also be included in there. The correlation most people see between vaccination and autism is better explained by the fact that around the same age many vaccinations occur (2-3 years old) is about the time when the symptoms of autism arise. There are many factors that could be involved here. I'm not saying that there isn't a extremely small amount of cases where thimerosal might be involved in some sort of aversive reaction, surely there is. What I am saying is that the dangers of not vaccinating are far worse and more probable than the small chance of having an aversive reaction.

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

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Originally posted by venomX Proof or STFU. I hate when people talk about such a serious topic so lightly. Words have repercussions. There is NO link. Refer to my previous post.

Here's a quick lazy "youtube post" that should atleast get you thinking about it a bit more seriously:

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Here's a quick lazy "youtube post" that should atleast get you thinking about it a bit more seriously:

You know, I was going to give the video a chance. I saw about 3 minutes of it, and fast forwarded around. You seriously think there is any sound evidence or arguments in that video?

I'll say this again. There is no evidence linking disability of any kind to vaccination. You guys can keep believing all you want these emotional appeals and half truths. In my prior post I posted a study of how 'anti vaccination' sites are built and what type of content they have. It's no science and much conjecture and emotionality. Sounds a lot like scientology, creationism or any other of those. "Our imnune system gets stronger by itself" according to the video you posted. Tell that to the millions of people that have died from petty viruses such as measles or chicken pox, even influenza. Go tell that to the million of deformed, retarded or dead children from Polio. Jesus, how can any of you advocate with any conviction that vaccines are dangerous. Even if there were a slight chance of bad things happening solely due to vaccines, not vaccinating would create hundreds of other more probable risks.

Again, show me proof people. I've done the research, posted the links. Now it's your turn.

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

The way I see it, its dangerous to inject a child with vaccinations at very early age, just like you dont feed the child the food you eat either that early. I was vaccinated much later, I think it was when I was at least couple years old, not sure though.

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Autism is a disorder that normally is 100% genetic.

If Magnetonium's family doesn't have anyone on the autistic spectrum, there can be only one reasonable conclusion, IMO.

But ok, I'll find you some articles

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