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Originally posted by Allied Nations The main problem with Ableton is the sound isn't good enough. It's great for a basic mixdown and doing most sequencer related stuff, but I don't trust it for a final product. It's going to have to go through Protools or Logic anyways, so why not just skip a step?

No.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja No.

Lol ok buddy. Show me one releases that's gone straight from ableton to stores. Ableton has an undeniable sound... it has its own colour.

Ableton is great for jam sessions and laying some shit down but in the end it isn't enough. If you care to prove me wrong, please do so (nothing i like more than expanding my knowledge of these applications), because "No" doesn't cut it.

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VST is a programming standard right? So every sequencer with a good VST implementation will handle such plugins in a virtually identical manner. From talking to the developers of Reaper... They believe this too. Therefore, with that in mind, the only possible point of difference is the audio summing. Ableton is 32-bit float just like every other sequencer.


Now, can't vouch for the quality of Abletons inbuilt plugins, but I'm going to say that is most likely where you're finding the "colouring". There are many thousands of freeware plugins which you can use instead that are as good, if not better, than commercial plugins. Example: the classic plugins or mda suite.

It's in your head mang.

Also, you need to consider what is lost in moving away from Ableton; warping. Cubase is the only other DAW which has this.

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Actually, I do know a few people who produce with Ableton Live and have released tracks with it on some fairly major labels. Although, not blockbuster labels, and they didn't go "straight" to the store, they went through a considerable amount of mastering and editing. Then again, what release doesn't?

I do think that Ableton Live is really a lot better for jam sessions and mixes than it is for producing a polished track from scratch. But if it gives certain people enough of a productivity boost that it ends up being less costly (time or money) to polish it later, then there's nothing wrong with that.

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Originally posted by Allied Nations The main problem with Ableton is the sound isn't good enough. It's great for a basic mixdown and doing most sequencer related stuff, but I don't trust it for a final product. It's going to have to go through Protools or Logic anyways, so why not just skip a step?

congratulations on the stupidest comment of 2007.

and to "digitallifeform" I hope you choose to go with the Mac & Logic, not because its the better soloution but because anyone considering using logic over a perfectly capable PC w/ ableton live and a virus is a moron.
hf wasting your money.

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Originally posted by Allied Nations Lol ok buddy. Show me one releases that's gone straight from ableton to stores. Ableton has an undeniable sound... it has its own colour. Ableton is great for jam sessions and laying some shit down but in the end it isn't enough. If you care to prove me wrong, please do so (nothing i like more than expanding my knowledge of these applications), because "No" doesn't cut it.

No.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja No.

There was I time I tought you where an ass. But lately your answers seem to make sense . Just like this one. If someone has problems with ableton (or any other sequencer for that matter) it's because of himself not the sequencer.

And if the topicstarter is really asking himself to choose between Mac+logic and a TI I'd suggest him to try out both some more at friends or the local music store. It's actually a question which would be best to answer yourself instead of letting the answer depend on what others tell you. What do you need more? Do you know anything of mac/logic? or a TI for that matter?

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Originally posted by Allied Nations Ableton has an undeniable sound... it has its own colour.

ya, you can spot that ableton delay plugin or beat repeat thing a mile away sometimes...

i think the only thing that gives ableton its own color are the default plugins.

Ok, you guys use ableton alone, awesome. I'll stick to using ableton in conunction with either logic or pro tools.

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Originally posted by CReddick Do you guys ever feel like you wish your Virus TI had more firepower? By the time I have 4-5 parts all going.. it starts crapping out internal processor wise... I'm a tad disappointed.

Nope. I keep wishing I actually had one so I could wish for what you wish for

Oh...

Allied Nations - How does Live have a worse sound? Yes the plugins are noticeable but which sequencers core ones aren't? That doesn't mean that it's got worse sound, just possibly shittier plugins :P

If you played the same midi clip in Live and Cubase, and used the same Albino 3 patch, there would be no difference in the end product.

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