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Originally posted by jchung52 id be afraid of breaking that, especially while intoxicated and in a packed club

i played around with it a little bit.
its surprisingly sturdy.
and seems really well built.

it also offers
optical image stabilization.
this is a must in all cameras now.
it will help to reduce blurring

another really cool aspect



take the guess work out of those shots where youre the photographer and subjectt.
this thing just offers tons of possibilities in terms of capturing shots from various angles and perspectives.

12x optical zoom, oh, and it has a viewfinder. you can keep your nikon, which is just more of a "wow" camera, its a toy to me. something like the S3 IS or A630 is a more rugged and robust camera, with tons of versatility they each have a dial on them that allow you to operate them in all the same modes as an SLR.

and bumping up your iso? thats fantastic, but gives you much more noise.

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Originally posted by yeahyeahyeah i played around with it a little bit. its surprisingly sturdy. and seems really well built. it also offers optical image stabilization. this is a must in all cameras now. it will help to reduce blurring

"in cameras now" ? so it never was before? and its a must? yeah maybe after 3x optical zoom should you consider image stabilization. and btw, there is a difference between digital image stabilization and optical image stabilization, most point and shoots use digital, having tried and tested various IS Lenses i'm going with optical on this one.

at my work we test every camera we receive to get some idea on how it performs. The Canon SD550, which is by today's standard somewhat "outdated", is an amazing performer. no image stabilizer, and we couldnt make it blur, it was at the point where one guy was turning counter clockwise, another clockwise running around him, while waving the camera around frantically. extreme conditions ? yes? how'd it turn out? the body was motion blurred, but head and shoulders were in focus.

so... IS is a must it? i suggest you rethink that.

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They're all crazy. Even you. You're all...crazy."
"Even me?" she said.
I thought, "Oh right, if I categorically eliminate all other people, it's just me and her. She'd like that.
"Especially you" I said.
"You are virtually the ring leader, the way I see it."
Then, I blew out the candle.

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Originally posted by MikeyN and bumping up your iso? thats fantastic, but gives you much more noise.

yeah,
forgot to mention that.
its still worth a shot though.

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Originally posted by MikeyN a more rugged and robust camera

you got that right.
considering this guy is looking for something to use in a club,
this is probably a bit too big.
point and shoot cameras are supposed to be small and fun.
something like a toy.
kinda like how you described the nikon.

going back to the problem at hand, like chinamon said, go for something with a wider aperture (smaller number) this will allow you to set a higher shutter speed, or if it has an aperture priority function, set it to the smallest number, and let it do the shutter for you, try using fill flash, or setting your flash to maximum power. after that then try bumping up your ISO setting, but the higher the number, the more noise you will see, however being more sensitive to light (this is what ISO is) it will allow you (or the camera to automatically) set a faster shutter speed.

___________________
They're all crazy. Even you. You're all...crazy."
"Even me?" she said.
I thought, "Oh right, if I categorically eliminate all other people, it's just me and her. She'd like that.
"Especially you" I said.
"You are virtually the ring leader, the way I see it."
Then, I blew out the candle.

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Originally posted by MikeyN "in cameras now" ? so it never was before? and its a must? yeah maybe after 3x optical zoom should you consider image stabilization. and btw, there is a difference between digital image stabilization and optical image stabilization, most point and shoots use digital, having tried and tested various IS Lenses i'm going with optical on this one. at my work we test every camera we receive to get some idea on how it performs. The Canon SD550, which is by today's standard somewhat "outdated", is an amazing performer. no image stabilizer, and we couldnt make it blur, it was at the point where one guy was turning counter clockwise, another clockwise running around him, while waving the camera around frantically. extreme conditions ? yes? how'd it turn out? the body was motion blurred, but head and shoulders were in focus. so... IS is a must it? i suggest you rethink that.

hahaha
woah.
did i strike a nerve or something?
youre coming off somewhat hostile.
the stabilization isnt always entirely useful,
but i think may benefit this guy in the conditions hes describing that hes uses his camera under.
ok,
i guess its not a must,
buts its pretty much standard by now.
and sure,
you dont need it.
but you probably dont need a comp with dual core processors either.
but does that mean when you go out and buy a new computer that youre gonna get something which offers less?
i dont think so.
and i dont think a camera should be any different.

Nikon S10 Dimensions:

112.5x74.5x40.5mm

Canon A630 Dimensions

109.4x66.0x49.0mm

The canon A630 is smaller in all but one dimension. 9mm is a huge difference isnt it?

the canon has a viewfinder, take that nikon out on a bright sunny day and compose your shot in the sun, good luck ! both the A630/640 and S3 IS have viewfinders, and flip screens for protection. plus i dont like the idea of flipping the actual lens 90 dgrees to take your shot, at least on the canon you flip the screen, if the screen goes no big deal, if that whole lens assembly goes, have fun replacing it.

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They're all crazy. Even you. You're all...crazy."
"Even me?" she said.
I thought, "Oh right, if I categorically eliminate all other people, it's just me and her. She'd like that.
"Especially you" I said.
"You are virtually the ring leader, the way I see it."
Then, I blew out the candle.

my apologies if i came off a little harsh, just the point i was getting at was if you buy a camera that has a very good processor in it, like the SD550, A630/640, S3 IS, SD800 IS, all cameras that are very capable of capturing fast action, then you dont exactly need stabilizers. and a lot of people "hype up" image stabilizers although it may not be as good as they think it might be this is where the point of digital vs. optical comes in.

___________________
They're all crazy. Even you. You're all...crazy."
"Even me?" she said.
I thought, "Oh right, if I categorically eliminate all other people, it's just me and her. She'd like that.
"Especially you" I said.
"You are virtually the ring leader, the way I see it."
Then, I blew out the candle.

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Originally posted by MikeyN Nikon S10 Dimensions: 112.5x74.5x40.5mm Canon A630 Dimensions 109.4x66.0x49.0mm

wow.
ill be honest,
i was just going based on the appearance of the camera in the picture.
i do like the maneuverable screen too.
dude,
youre selling me on this thing.

honestly guys, i dont know what the hell youre talking about...everything you have said is pretty greek to me...all i really wanted to know about was a good camera for taking pictures of a stage (dj/lights/lazers) or the crowd, WHILE standing in that same crowd.

the problem with my camera is when i take a picture of the stage and the lights are on...it distorts the picture beyond recognition...here ill give an example




this was at EDC just as the sun was going down...no flash was used...but why the hell is it all distorted like that? i wasnt moving..using both hands to steady...it frustrates me

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