I've had a squizz through those samples, some of them are ok, I really think I need to start creating my own percussion as opposed to using samples, since I know what sound I want, I just can't squeeze it out of what I have.

Id suggest using some of those samples ( as they are good quality ) as a base, kinda like a recipe. Take the top end of something, the mids of another , the lows of another, layer em all together, throw in a pinch of fx and then bake for half an hour....
Dont just use stock samples, fuk em up a bit and you'll find some uniquesounds.

Alot of this advice is terrible, my guess is many of you have no idea how to do it...

You need to keep most samples short, or your mix will turn to noise. You will literally get so much phasing, the loop will sound EMPTY. To get the sound like the file you posted Cetra3, you would put a loop like mine (obviously I only took 10 minutes to do that, you gotta make it sound better...) and put it through a plugin like CamelPhat. Compression, distortion and filtering are what you need, nothing else... Mainly distortion (techno producers can't live without it).

You will rarely/never use reverb on your percussion. Same goes for delays, all they will do is take up too much space in the mix. You will also rarely/never use flanging/phasing... it's techno...

Maybe for prominent percussion sounds like snares and kicks it is worthwhile fabricating your own samples... but for the rest I would say no. You need a lage folder of percussion sounds and just go through them one by one to find one that fits PERFECTLY. The chance of you fabricating a sample that doesn't just sound good in isolation is slim and theres no need to reinvent the wheel. Further, there will be so much going on you won't even be able to hear which percs you made and which ones you sourced... so it is a waste of time. Focus on putting better patterns together, then you can worry about wank like this.

Hope that helps

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Originally posted by echosystm Alot of this advice is terrible, my guess is many of you have no idea how to do it...

who are you to judge...?

the topic is TECH percussion...whatever the hell that means - fuck labels...and you posted this:

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Originally posted by echosystm put it through a plugin like CamelPhat. Compression, distortion and filtering are what you need, nothing else... Mainly distortion (techno producers can't live without it). You will rarely/never use reverb on your percussion. Same goes for delays, all they will do is take up too much space in the mix. You will also rarely/never use flanging/phasing... it's techno... You need a lage folder of percussion sounds and just go through them one by one to find one that fits PERFECTLY.

how does this help for tech percussion?

oh, and the best advice so far has been the 'decay' statement, cause that's pretty much all you need to fix.

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Originally posted by ASFSE oh, and the best advice so far has been the 'decay' statement, cause that's pretty much all you need to fix.

I dont understand what you guys mean by decay. use an amplitude envelope on the percussion? what then?

btw for nice techno percussion ken ishii style try to use a ringmod on your percussion. Gives awesome results!

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Originally posted by ASFSE who are you to judge...?

The sample he posted has none of these things bar a bit of reverb.

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Originally posted by ASFSE how does this help for tech percussion?

The sample he posted has obvious bitcrushing and probably other distortions too... which is part of the distortion panel on CamelPhat... The sample is also compressed and filtered...

So yeah, I would say my comments are justified.

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Originally posted by echosystm Alot of this advice is terrible, my guess is many of you have no idea how to do it...

Righto then, since your so well qualified to dish out advice and rubbish other peoples, would you care to show us some of your work.
I'm quite keen to see what an obvious master of his craft is capable of

And I dont mean one loop either.

give me two secs... i'll make something with that loop with the aforementioned filtering and whatever

http://www.mediafire.com/?3imckwdid9d
Now lets see what you can do in that time (45 mins?)... ralph. Its 1:25 now, so you've got until 2:00

Ok but seriously...

The only reason I said what I said is because some people were clearly just talking out their asses, which is not going to help Cetra3 at all... Actually it will just confuse the fuck out of him and waste his time... I could have been nice about it, but it's just not in my nature haha.

Last edited by echosystm on Jul-18-2007 at 07:33

Yeah i have camelphat. It's pretty good and stuff. I still think a bit of white noise maybe with a gate or some nice filter envelopes will make it sound a bit more 'dirty'

people like Borique Tribes use some sidechained white noise to make it sound more 'full' and vibrant. That's sorta what i'm going for.. A nice gritty sound, unique and refined at all at the same time haha.

wtf? we're all from adelaide



i thought i was the only person from adelaide with the internet... crazy!