quote:

Originally posted by rabbitjoker If you take actual livable area and divide by population - Finland is much more dense.

well i'm not too sure what you mean by 'liveable' area, but i'm guessing you mean areas that have already undergone some significant urban development. if we focus just on Southern Ontario and compare that to say the southern coast of Finland where most of the population resides i'd say the density is still somewhat comparable if not greater in Southern Ontario (TO already having a higher population than Helsinki). Anyways, what I'm getting at here is trying to understand that if population density was relatively the same between the two, then what other factors have helped provide a business case for Finland that Southern Ontario lacks in order to have equally priced service at higher speeds.

Given Toronto's proximity to large US cities, you've got to wonder whether foreign competition in telecom would allow for the economies of scale necessary to make fibre optic networks affordable to consumers and profitable to service providers.

___________________
Palm Trees > Pine Trees , Sand > Snow

quote:

Originally posted by drgoodvibe Thanks for the link Orko.. I just ordered the residential DSL service.. i'm sick and tired of Rogers. I'm paying $45/month for packet shaping.. and bandwidth caps.. seriously wtf..

nice.. i may just switch as well .. too bad Orko isn't gettin any referral bonuses lol

___________________
Palm Trees > Pine Trees , Sand > Snow

Ugh. France is ahead of us. FRANCE, PEOPLE! Can't we do any better than this!?

___________________
My party schedule:
2009-02-21 - DJ Attention @ I'm So Popular
2009-06-18 - DJ Annoying @ People Need To Know Where I'll Be
2012-11-32 - DJ Insufferable ɸ Or At Least the Stalkers I Complain About
2048-06-66 - Spastic & Whocares ¶ Although I'm Actually Flattered
9999-45-81 - Tweaker Gimp ☼ I Probably Won't Even Go To This But I Have To Make Sure I Fill Up All The Available Space Here

quote:

Originally posted by smuncky Teksavvy dude. best customer service out there.

I"ve heard good things about these guys from everyone. Enough to make me want to switch my Bell service to them, since I'll be getting the same speed for cheaper and compare Bell's 30gb/mth $5o/mth - $1.50/gb thereafter to their 100gb/mth aprox $30/mth with Teksavvy.

The only thing is that they're 3rd party vendors who 'rent' the lines from Bell. I know a few people who work for Bell who say they've purposely fk'd around with 3rd party co. that use their lines.

Bell's OptiMax looks cool:

--------

quote:

Special Edition: $24.95/month for the first 3 months (includes $5/month Bell Bundle savings)¹ Download access speed 7 Mbps / Upload access speed 1 Mbps $29.95/month for the first 3 months when purchased separately. Thereafter: $55/month (less $5/month on a Bell Bundle) Special edition offers: Free in-home installation² Free fully-supported wireless Home Networking modem³ Free award-winning online security services - no other Internet service provider in Canada is doing more to protect you online Download a single song (5 MB) in 7 seconds Additional 30 GB of download capacity per month Sympatico Optimax 10: 10 Mbps download speed / 1 Mbps upload speed Build a bundle, save a bundle. Every month. $29.95/month for the first 3 months (includes $5/month Bell Bundle savings)³ $34.95/month for the first 3 months when purchased separately. Thereafter: $70/month (less $5/month on a Bell Bundle) Sympatico Optimax 16: 16 Mbps download speed / 1 Mbps upload speed Build a bundle, save a bundle. Every month. $29.95/month for the first 3 months (includes $5/month Bell Bundle savings)³ $34.95/month for the first 3 months when purchased separately. Thereafter: $100/month (less $5/month on a Bell Bundle) Benefits & features: Consistently receive maximum Internet access speed¹ Free in-home installation. Our professional installer will certify that you're up and running at the full speed you subscribed to before leaving your home¹ Connect wirelessly with the Bell Wireless Home Networking Modem³

I like that Special Edition cause it costs the same that I"m paying right now, but with 2gb more bandwidth. Shitty they don't service my highrise, even though I'm in the city.

The other packages are ridiculous

___________________
Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies.

Twitter | YouTube | Instagram | Soundcloud | MixCloud | BLOG

quote:

Originally posted by Stilez The only thing is that they're 3rd party vendors who 'rent' the lines from Bell. I know a few people who work for Bell who say they've purposely fk'd around with 3rd party co. that use their lines.

they're probably renting the DSLAM ports from Bell too...

Interesting article. Thanks. A quick search for an analysis of OECD Broadband Markets directed me to a May 2006 report prepared by a consulting firm for a group called internetNZ. According to this privately commissioned report, Canada ranks 4th overall (which combines business and residential broadband rankings). Of note, Canada ranks 4th in business broadband value and 10th in residential value.

Anyway, I haven't really taken the time determine the rigour of this report (and it is more than a year old), but it does make me think that MAYBE things really aren't that bad in Canada. Things could certainly be worse.


Comparison of OECD Broadband Markets - May 2006
A comparison of cost and performance data for business and residential broadband products in 26 OECD countries

http://www.internetnz.net.nz/issues...oadband-markets

Overall Value Rankings

Grade = A
1. Sweden

Grade = B
2. Netherlands
3. Norway
4. Canada
5. Germany
6. United States

Grade = C
7. Spain
8. Slovakia
9. Finland
10. Portugal
11. Czech Republic
12. France
13. Iceland
14. Belgium
15. Denmark
16. Italy
17. Australia
18. Austria

Grade = D
19. Switzerland
20. United Kingdom
21. Hungary
22. New Zealand
23. Luxembourg
24. Ireland
25. Poland
26. Mexico

See page 26 of the report for details of rankings.

Country excerpts...

Canada

Canada is unusual in that, like the US, it relies mainly on cable internet connections for broadband provision. The result is that Canadians enjoy relatively high speeds for both downloads and uploads and this pushes Canada to 4th overall in terms of value. Because internet service is in addition to existing cable, installation costs are relatively low. Note however that 56% of products are capped. Canada rates in the upper third in terms of subscription costs.


Finally, DigiNut, FYI...

France

The dataset for France is a tale of two countries. In terms of residential broadband, France rates highest of all the countries for value, but it ranks close to last in terms of business products. This places it in 12th place overall, close to its OECD broadband ranking (14th) and above its e-readiness ranking of 19th. French broadband users are most likely to receive a slow upload speed – 32.4% are less than 128Kbps and more than two thirds are 256Kbps or less. Whilst it ranks towards the middle for DSL download speeds, 43% of all products surveyed are 5Mbps or over. It is in this statistics that the rating anomaly is explained, as France offers a range of high-specification products for business customers that attract a significant cost premium. For the typical residential or small business customer, there is a wide choice of products at a relatively low cost and France is the fourth cheapest country for residential DSL products. France has the highest connection charges of all the countries reviewed here, again largely influenced by high-end business packages.

quote:

Originally posted by DigiNut Ugh. France is ahead of us. FRANCE, PEOPLE! Can't we do any better than this!?

LOL!

but seriously....wtf....sad...

___________________
"...End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path...one that we all must take.
The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."