I remember reading that the British office handed over to the Russians a dossier describing the evidence and why Lugovoi should be charged.

Just because this document hasn't been leaked to the media doesn't mean that Britain didn't present it to the Russian officials.

So at least this part of Magnetonium's rant is complete horseshit and I hope we can put it to rest.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd I remember reading that the British office handed over to the Russians a dossier describing the evidence and why Lugovoi should be charged. Just because this document hasn't been leaked to the media doesn't mean that Britain didn't present it to the Russian officials. So at least this part of Magnetonium's rant is complete horseshit and I hope we can put it to rest.

LOL ... yeah ... if the proof was so evident, then the media would be all of it, wouldn't it? We all know what British media is about ... Use common sense, bud. There's no evidence, all speculation. Otherwise Lugovoi would be in Russian jail right now, being prosecuted.

Lemme guess ... the dossier starts like this: "Dear Mr Putin, we believe that Lugovoi took your polonium and sprayed it in Litvinenko's arse ... .... "

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No doubt Iraq has cast the UK into a bit of a hole w.r.t. but we are still in the EU.

Also if Berezovsky is wanted on charges in other countries on charges an they are extraction countries (I don't know if they are?) then how come they haven't asked for him to be extradited?

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Originally posted by Dervish No doubt Iraq has cast the UK into a bit of a hole w.r.t. but we are still in the EU. Also if Berezovsky is wanted on charges in other countries on charges an they are extraction countries (I don't know if they are?) then how come they haven't asked for him to be extradited?

OH REALLY???? Gotta love the mostly quiet British media, you've been brainwashed, bud. Lets see what the British government is going to do about THIS:



Berezovsky wanted in Brazil for alleged money laundering


http://www.guardian.co.uk/brazil/st...2126355,00.html

Tom Phillips in Rio de Janeiro and Saeed Shah
Saturday July 14, 2007
The Guardian


The tussle between Britain and Russia over the London-based billionaire tycoon Boris Berezovsky took a new twist yesterday when the Brazilian authorities issued a warrant for his arrest.
Brazilian officials vowed to seek the extradition of Mr Berezovsky from the UK to face charges of money laundering. He is already wanted in Russia, accused of embezzlement.

The Brazilian move comes after the authorities there released the findings of a two-year investigation into a suspected money laundering racket involving the Brazilian football club Corinthians, which was effectively bought by a company linked to Mr Berezovsky in 2004. Brazilian prosecutors argue that Media Sports Investments (MSI), the subsidiary of an offshore company that formed a "partnership" with Corinthians in November 2004, is funded with the profits from organised crime in Russia.


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In Brazil on Thursday, Judge Fausto Martin de Sanctis ordered the arrest of Mr Berezovsky and two other men, including the Iranian businessman Kia Joorabchian, who controls MSI in Brazil, which is accused of laundering Mr Berezovsky's money through the Corinthians team. Since none of the men was in Brazil, arrest warrants were forwarded to Interpol. The lawyer behind the federal investigation, Rodrigo de Grandis, told the Guardian that if the men tried to enter Brazil they would be arrested immediately. Officials from Brazil's public prosecutor admitted yesterday, however, they were not hopeful that Mr Berezovsky could be extradited.
Mr Berezovsky said the Brazilian court order was "an extension of the Kremlin's politicised campaign against me". The tycoon fell out with Russian leader Vladimir Putin and left the country in 2000. He has since been charged with embezzling millions of dollars from Russia's flagship airline, Aeroflot. This week, a trial in Russia started in the Aeroflot case, in Mr Berezovsky's absence.

The tycoon also faces potential prosecution in Russia over alleged calls for the government's overthrow, stemming from an interview he gave earlier this year to the Guardian. Britain, which granted him asylum in 2003, has repeatedly refused Russian requests for extradition.

Last year, Mr Berezovsky was detained and interrogated at Sao Paulo's international airport as he tried to embark for London. He was released without charge.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium OH REALLY???? Gotta love the mostly quiet British media, you've been brainwashed, bud.

He then goes on to "prove" his point by quoting an article from one of the most popular British newspapers...you couldn't make it up could you?!

Well you kinda answered your own question he's being extradited.... (so long as that fits in with the law). Whats the problem? He can't be extradited to Russia because it's against the law.

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Originally posted by Dervish Well you kinda answered your own question he's being extradited.... (so long as that fits in with the law). Whats the problem? He can't be extradited to Russia because it's against the law.

And he cant be trasfered to Brazil because that will be a political defeat to UK. And Russians cant transfer Lugovoi because of two reasons - Constitution and lack of evidence. So why then would British politicians create a conflict by kicking Russian diplomats out of the country? Where's the logic? What is this going to achieve, tell me? Putin will be very happy and will break his Constitution? Seriously, man, try to understand what I am trying to say ... Russia's not the one causing havoc here.

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To explain what I mean, if he is extradited then that shows that the UK is observing law and doesn't have some 'unknown' reason for keeping him aside from the law of the land (you prejudging that he won't be extradited). Remember the UK police firstly only wanted to talk to Andrei Lugovoi which was not allowed.

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Originally posted by Dervish To explain what I mean, if he is extradited then that shows that the UK is observing law and doesn't have some 'unknown' reason for keeping him aside from the law of the land (you prejudging that he won't be extradited). Remember the UK police firstly only wanted to talk to Andrei Lugovoi which was not allowed.

Hahaha ... British police TALKED to Lugovoi for long periods of time WHILE he was in UK, literally interrogating him ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6679853.stm

Mr Lugovoi has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing, suggesting that someone has been trying to frame him.

He underwent medical checks in hospital after traces of polonium-210 were reportedly found in his body.

He has also been questioned by Russian and British detectives in December as a witness.

Mr Lugovoi said he met Mr Litvinenko 10 years ago, but was not a friend or business partner.

He said his security work brought him into contact with Mr Berezovsky, who also knew Mr Litvinenko.


OH, and by the way ... HOW THE HELL DID LUGOVOI's alleged polonium ended up at British Embassy in Moscow? Hmmm ... the trail ... to Putin .... hmmmmm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6215168.stm


Yeah, the Russian government will clearly do all this to make itself so bloody obvious as a participant.

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Gotta go to bed but I'll chat more on this later.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Russians cant transfer Lugovoi because of two reasons - Constitution and lack of evidence.

As I'm no expert on Russian law, perhaps you could tell me what the Constitution says that prevents Lugovoi being extradited to Britain to face criminal charges? As for the second reason, well that's just not true is it? The article you quote below says the Crown Prosecution Service has enough evidence to charge him with murder, so what exactly is your problem?

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So why then would British politicians create a conflict by kicking Russian diplomats out of the country? Where's the logic? What is this going to achieve, tell me? Putin will be very happy and will break his Constitution? Seriously, man, try to understand what I am trying to say ... Russia's not the one causing havoc here.

It is a tactic in diplomacy which means "we mean business"

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Originally posted by George Smiley As I'm no expert on Russian law, perhaps you could tell me what the Constitution says that prevents Lugovoi being extradited to Britain to face criminal charges? As for the second reason, well that's just not true is it? The article you quote below says the Crown Prosecution Service has enough evidence to charge him with murder, so what exactly is your problem? It is a tactic in diplomacy which means "we mean business"

OK, so lets say British do have the proof, then they should then try to prosecute Lugovoi in Russia, which they HAVE ALREADY REFUSED TO DO. So that doesnt leave us with much, does it?

Russian Constitution, clearly specifies that no Russian national can be extradited abroad. Just like UK's. Just like the European Convention specifies. Its pretty dam obvious and old law. UK knows it. But they are playing a political game here.

But British dont want to pursue this case in Russia, because they want to play a political game with a certain conviction in UK, then to bring their weak evidence to Russia and know they won't be able to have a media frenzy on the same level.

If they had the clear evidence, then they would have "leaked" it to the media already, they're not talking about, so its pretty dam weak. Thats why they refuse to go to court in Russia.

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