good point raised about the mobo, also what specs of sound and graphics. well im going shopping today, so ill get the technical specs from them today

i just got back from another comp shop, and this is what he had to offer:

AMD 1.7 Ghz XP £120
Elite Motherboard £75(all i no is that its made by Elite)
Fan / Powertransformer £10
Case £35

Total £250

The mother board i could have either empty, or full. Basically the empty one would have no modem, no graphics but a sound chip, as i have a usb cable modem, i wouldnt need one. Or i could have the mobo with a onboard graphics,sound and modem and some network stuff he said, both for the same price.

Or he said i could have instead of the XP a Duron 1 Ghz for £55, so take off the difference between the two processers and it comes to £185, which is basically the same quote and the same price as the other shop!

Im still gona get other offers, but thats all for now. Apparntly the Athalon processer isnt readerly available anymore, as the Duron has been upgraded to cope with that and the new one is the XP.

Cheers, coup.

What it sounds like to me, and what alot of computer shops do, is use a PcChips mobo (LMR 810) its about £50 "all in one" onboard sound video and really poo modem. The graphics chip on these boards is adequate for windows but not really games, and the sound sucks. This, and similar "all in one" mobo's have very few expansion slots (pci and agp) pci is used for modem sound etc. agp is graphics. The LMR 810 has 2 pci slots only, and an agp, so u cant really upgrade much. Personally I'd avoid and wait until ya can avoid something decent, or get the components and d.i.y.
Oh, and I havent seen a good review of this kind of board anywhere.

Just read ur last post Coup, check out prices on www.ebuyer.com they're prob quite a bit cheaper than ur local store, and their service is very good as well, theres a few other online suppliers that are good, or pop in ur local newsagent and get a copy of "Micro Mart", lotsa good deals in there as well
The Elite K7S5A is £43 on ebuyer and will take sdr(prob wot ur current ram is) and ddr if u wanna upgrade ram as well, its a decent board

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the one thing i will be really adament on is the fact that you need to buy a good, reliable mainboard. There are a TON of really stable and expandable boards out there for really cheap. And like skattrd said, you WANT a board that can take DDR, its just worth it and will boost prerformance more than most CPU upgrades. Expandability is also an issue. As far as most are concerned, onboard sound, video, and modems are crap. You need at least 4 or 5 PCI slots, a 4x AGP, DDR slots... yeah. Just make sure you know whats on the msainboard your getting because if this guy sells you a POS board youll prolly end up gettin another one in the future when you run out of space or get tired of the shitty onboard features.

honestly, replacing a mainboard and things like that is really not a huge task. number your cords so you dont mess up orders and such, unplug everything, remove the mobo, put your processor in the new board, put on the heatsink (youll need a new heatsink for a faster processor, i think you said tha already...,) attach the board, re-plug everything in and power up. the only "difficult" part is the bios setup, which, if you know what you are doing, is really no problem, and i'm sure you have friends who know bios. maybe you do.

cheers
-Marc

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Originally posted by skattrd The Elite K7S5A is £43 on ebuyer and will take sdr(prob wot ur current ram is) and ddr if u wanna upgrade ram as well, its a decent board

i cna just express my liking for that board again. it was one of the boards that has given me very little trouble and was really fast right out of the box.

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umm L2 cache is ram for the processor so the more ram the faster the process has information ready to be processed, its like having someone helping you when you're doing your work, they hand u the papers so youdont have to reachall the way to get it.A good mother board is abit.

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Originally posted by SmellsExcellent honestly, replacing a mainboard and things like that is really not a huge task. number your cords so you dont mess up orders and such, unplug everything, remove the mobo, put your processor in the new board, put on the heatsink (youll need a new heatsink for a faster processor, i think you said tha already...,) attach the board, re-plug everything in and power up. the only "difficult" part is the bios setup, which, if you know what you are doing, is really no problem, and i'm sure you have friends who know bios. maybe you do.

He's right. Me and my roomate really didn't know a whole lot and we taught ourselves how to do it. They usually give you books with it that will tell what to do. Just be careful when you put the CPU in. Get the pins lined up and only when you are sure it's right, push it in and lock it. (Dave i am gonna kill you for that) ok, done ranting. Working on computers really is self explainitory but if you know someone buy a pizza and have them come over and show you.

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Well, If anyone lives in New England, This is where I go for all of my computer needs, They have the best prices around excluding if I find it on e-bay... CLick this link.... Cogan Fairs

there's nothing wrong with Duron and Celeron processors. thats a big bunch of BS rumors flyin around b/c everyone read PC magazine. i have 3 desktops.... 2 run AMD athlons, the other runs a duron, and my laptop (which i use 95% of the time) is a compaq running a celeron... (i wanted the AMD but it cost too much more...)

I run Photoshop, Frontpage, VideoWave (video editor), WHILE burning a CD with easy cd creator... and i watch DVD's on this thing.

a celeron can do pretty much anything you need to throw at it... and the duron is slightly better than the celeron.

so what i'm saying is, if you find an athlon or pentium for the same price, great, go for it... but you don't have to pay more... you don't always have to have the newest and the best of everything. sometimes what you need will do.

Cheers
-ABT-

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Originally posted by ABTsportsline there's nothing wrong with Duron and Celeron processors. thats a big bunch of BS rumors flyin around b/c everyone read PC magazine. i have 3 desktops.... 2 run AMD athlons, the other runs a duron, and my laptop (which i use 95% of the time) is a compaq running a celeron... (i wanted the AMD but it cost too much more...) I run Photoshop, Frontpage, VideoWave (video editor), WHILE burning a CD with easy cd creator... and i watch DVD's on this thing. a celeron can do pretty much anything you need to throw at it... and the duron is slightly better than the celeron. so what i'm saying is, if you find an athlon or pentium for the same price, great, go for it... but you don't have to pay more... you don't always have to have the newest and the best of everything. sometimes what you need will do. Cheers -ABT-

Interesting, Would you prefer a celeron over a athlon? I honestly dont like Celeron. Due to overclocking, Uptime, ect ect ect. And I DONT read PC Magazine.

LoL @ you not reading that mag....

of course i don't prefer celeron to athlon... for starters thats like comparing civics to mercedes! secondly, as i had stated i didn't want to spend an extra 400 bucks to get the AMD when the celeron would suit my purposes just fine. sure, if i had the extra money lying around i would, but i prefer to buy vinyls

on your current wages would you buy a mercedes if you lived a mile from your work? probably not... if anything, you'd buy a civic.

-ABT-

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Originally posted by ABTsportsline on your current wages would you buy a mercedes if you lived a mile from your work? probably not... if anything, you'd buy a civic.

i'd bike to work

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