BUT and this is a big but,(insert disclaimer) but i am merely making a few observations and all peoples are entitled to their own opinion whehter or not they agree with my statements or the statements of that of the writer(s) of the abridged script.

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Originally posted by mezzir i mean...it was pretty entertaining, but if you stop to think, about any single element of the movie, it sucks i let myself enjoy it when i watched it, and liked it. then stopped to think about it, and felt ashamed for enjoying it

I left the theatre giving it an 7.5 but since then it's dropped to "this movie just sucked" category. The more I think about it, the more it sucked.

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ANTHONY ANDERSON I’m fat! And black! That’s fucking comedy gold right there!

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Originally posted by Spike i disagree with u sir. Big blockbuster movies can (and should) have both story and eye-popping effects as far as I'm concerned. u say it should be studied(by whom?) lol. i think our expectations at the cinema have degraded so badly to the point where almost anything goes nowadays. things like a coherent plot, honesty in motivations...lol who needs those?

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one thing ANY genre should have is emotion
i felt no reason whatsoever to be rooting for anyone. hell i was kinda hoping megatron would just kick major ass. shia ledouche is an annoying little fuck who seems kinda like a better looking, but far more annoying version of justin long. OH GOD HE GETS FLUSTERED ALL THE TIME LOL! regardless of genre, a movie needs substance. if you were already a transformers fan, you'd be attached to the characters already, but since i wasn't i felt no pull towards them whatsoever.

oh and the fact that they had to specify that qatar was in the middle east was really fucking annoying, but also clued me in quite early as to the intelligence level of the average viewer this movie's aimed towards

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First off, I hate all this hype on Michael Bay to begin with. It gets at the root of the twisted Hollywood system where it's just assumed a film belongs to the director and star faces. However, there are many many more people involved. Bay doesn't create many of the stories of the movies he is involved in. Hell, I would be shocked if he did any serious writing on the script. Take The Rock for example. Great blockbuster movie imo. It certainly didn't shy away from the explosions, but Ed Harris' storyline was certainly interesting and intelligent. Then again, I'm sure there was a team of writers behind that movie.

Point is, both sides of the Bay argument are wrong and as ignorant as they claim their opponents are. Bay isn't God. There are a hell of a lot more people responsible for his films being the way they are.

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Originally posted by kush paintings First off, I hate all this hype on Michael Bay to begin with. It gets at the root of the twisted Hollywood system where it's just assumed a film belongs to the director and star faces. However, there are many many more people involved. Bay doesn't create many of the stories of the movies he is involved in. Hell, I would be shocked if he did any serious writing on the script. Take The Rock for example. Great blockbuster movie imo. It certainly didn't shy away from the explosions, but Ed Harris' storyline was certainly interesting and intelligent. Then again, I'm sure there was a team of writers behind that movie. Point is, both sides of the Bay argument are wrong and as ignorant as they claim their opponents are. Bay isn't God. There are a hell of a lot more people responsible for his films being the way they are.

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i see what you're saying, but as director, he has creative control over the movie, hence why its such a big deal. so for the same reason i think uwe boll movies are fucking terrible and Scorsese films are generally awesome, michael bay films are cheesy over-the-top mindlessly shitty action movies

granted, its a team effort, but still. he's the common factor

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Who are you trying to convince? That movie was almost as shitty as pearl harbour. The only thing that prevented it from sinking that low was giant robots smashing things.

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Originally posted by mezzir what genre's that? the blowing shit up every couple minutes to keep the movie going genre? his movies, in a word, are hedonistic. if you want to not think before, during, or after the movie, then sure. go for it. but if you want any substance whatsoever, you leave feeling very very empty

Dude you are going to Transformers... not Hotel Rwanda.

Besides... it was all about Optimus transforming and then the voice.
Holy shyte i got frikken goosebumps and was like sweet jesus i've been waiting since i was 7 years old for this! All i needed was the voice with the proper CGI technology to show him. I was all set with the movie right then.


Much as I am obsessed with old camaro's... i nearly fell out of my seat laughing when he "boinked" into a new one. I keep trying to figure out how to turn my car into an M3... hasn't worked yet.

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Originally posted by Project-K Who are you trying to convince? That movie was almost as shitty as pearl harbour. The only thing that prevented it from sinking that low was giant robots smashing things.

Very few movies could be as shitty at Pearl Harbor.

Besides. this had some actual comedy to it.
it was cheesy geek comedy, but it worked for me because i wasn't expecting more than that.

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The one thing that fanboys like me hate about the movie is the lack of character for the robots in the movie. I mean I cant remember megatron saying a line that is worth mentioning.

Tooooo many humans rambling and telling cheesy jokes.I know this movie had to be an introduction to the masses, but still, bumblebee should have been given lines.

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Originally posted by mezzir ehhhh i see what you're saying, but as director, he has creative control over the movie, hence why its such a big deal. so for the same reason i think uwe boll movies are fucking terrible and Scorsese films are generally awesome, michael bay films are cheesy over-the-top mindlessly shitty action movies granted, its a team effort, but still. he's the common factor

So you are admitting it's a team effort, but you're saying since Bay has creative control over his movies they will all be bad (or at least what you expect out of him). I think you totally ignored my example of The Rock, which is by far the best movie Bay has been involved with to date, in my opinion. The writers carried took a concept that could've just been silly and made it believable, even poignant.

Take Christopher Nolan for example. He is heavily involved in the writing process of all his movies, yet if you check out the dialogue in Batman Begins, you can't help but notice the plethora of one-liners, courtesy of David Goyer (Blade, Blade II). Nolan, nor his brother who is writing the Dark Knight, have any history of one-liners. Their dialogue is far more complex, even when it's funny (think Memento with Leonard and Teddy).

Their are very very few directors that deserve the hype that surrounds them, as hardly are as responsible for the end product as you seem to think. Shyamalan, Guillermo del Toro, and the Coen brothers, those are directors with true creative control over their movies.

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Originally posted by kush paintings Their are very very few directors that deserve the hype that surrounds them, as hardly are as responsible for the end product as you seem to think. Shyamalan, Guillermo del Toro, and the Coen brothers, those are directors with true creative control over their movies.

Wes Anderson.
Quentin T.
Martin Scorsese.
Peter Jackson.

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