Oh and your sample, the idea is correct but it sounds pretty cheesy. Bring out the percussion.

conscious hip hop - weird shit. can't really dance to it. you just sort of bob your head and say things like 'ill beat' or 'hot fire' or 'treal', 'truth', and 'word'

more akin to books on tape than dance music IMO



the obvious sampling though seems out of place and lazy with today's technology.

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Originally posted by nefardec conscious hip hop - weird shit. can't really dance to it. you just sort of bob your head and say things like 'ill beat' or 'hot fire' or 'treal', 'truth', and 'word' more akin to books on tape than dance music IMO the obvious sampling though seems out of place and lazy with today's technology.

Why is it obvious if it could of been done without sampling? Stuff sampled off vinyl just sounds good, that's why in techno everyone samples everyone elses kicks off the begining of tracks. That vinyl compression/grit is a good thing to have.

And for sounding out of date / out of place... I guess so if you like todays rompler rap / 808 stuff. To me I much prefer the sound of it.

You'll see, in the professional music world people generally look down upon dance music, they'll say they've 'outgrown it' and such.

Maybe you don't live in the states though and it's more accepted. But still, I hate to think of my music as 'dance music' just because of how it's thought of where I live. -_-

I really hate to think of my music as dance music.. It's more than that.. it's beautifull listening music.... but then again I listen to trance not house like you, which isn't really that dancable anyway, but better for driving really fast

And whoever mentioned DJ Shadow.. I hope you mean Pre-Hyphy shadow lol. Endtroducing was a good album.. but the album after that one with Keak the Sneak and those rappers........ Well he was experimenting.. but he just wasn't ready for it yet.

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You'll see, in the professional music world people generally look down upon dance music, they'll say they've 'outgrown it' and such.

True but it's not 40 year olds making the conscious hip hop either

True

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If he just wants garden-variety, hip-pop, then all you really need is a kick sample, a bass line not unlike that of a dnb track, and a sample of some track from the 80's. Then you can expound for yourself.

Just note that a great deal of hip-hop derives its dance-floor energy from a lack of musical energy. That is, the pauses and silences do some kind of dancefloor alchemy to make people dance harder. I can't quite say how, but every person I've ever talked to who likes this kind of music says that there's something really tense and hot about those little breaks.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja And whoever mentioned DJ Shadow.. I hope you mean Pre-Hyphy shadow lol. Endtroducing was a good album.. but the album after that one with Keak the Sneak and those rappers........ Well he was experimenting.. but he just wasn't ready for it yet.

Entroducing was more than a good album.
It was nothing less than a work of genius.

Every single sound and thing on that entire album was sampled and stolen from a record. Every single thing.
The whole thing was made mixed and mastered entirely on one MPC3000, one technics 1200 and a basic cheap ass scratch mixer.
Thats it. No outboard, no console, no plug ins.
Literally genius.

Should be an inspiration to everyone- or make you want to slit your wrists....one of the two.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja anyway u wanna make HIPHOP... (not rap) u gotta get a sampler and get to choppin.

i dont understand the differentiation you are making between rap and hip hop...



rap is a part of hip hop... along with djing, bboying, and painting (graffiti)


hip hop is the culture

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Originally posted by Freak Should be an inspiration to everyone- or make you want to slit your wrists....one of the two.

in some cases both!


entroducing is incredible

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Bah..amateurs!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3nxuUJQAhY

That youTube video on making a beat is awesome. Good post. Pretty funny stuff.

Apparently, hiphop is EDM. It's not the same for everyone, obviously... I love dancing to reggae because I can jump around all over the place and it's still considered dancing. Hiphop has its own groovy nature and if you dig it, you can dig it but if you don't, then listen to something else. I love hiphop there's a HUGE variety of it, you could say it's almost as broad as trance if not more broad. That's another discussion altogether. It's about making hiphop beats.

http://lego.zianet.com/tilda140/Anthem.mp3

This is my earliest "hiphop" track. The synths are Microwave XT and the samples for piano/strings are the Orkester from Reason. The drum samples are from the Reason sound bank.

As you can tell I have an orchestral theme going on, and the chords are very what I call "anthematic". For some Reason hiphop and classical music can mesh really well together. It's been done plenty of times. Obviously my track is not like Lil' John. That is deemed club hiphop, and it can be pretty dredged out or horrible sounding. But there are certain styles of reggaeton or club hiphop styles that really get my blood pumping, possibly including a Lil John or Pitbull track. I think a true DJ or EDM enthusiast has a passion for all styles of music. Personally I love trance the most.

PS. Shadow's first full-length work, Endtroducing....., was released in late 1996 to immense critical acclaim. Endtroducing would make the Guinness World Records book for "First Completely Sampled Album" in 2001. The only piece of equipment Shadow used to produce the album is the AKAI MPC60 12bit sampling drum machine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJ_Shadow

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