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RJT
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Registered: Oct 2004
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quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
Well I would too...

But if you are already using live, might as well try it out, right?

Still, if I'm going to be doing funky stuff and effects to all hell, I'll just mix in ableton and leave the CDJ's alone.


Indeed, and don't get me wrong - I really do appreciate you posting your method because it's taught me something new to try out in Ableton, and anything that broadens my horizons in that respect is great.

My only goal was to be clear on exactly how the effects were working, and discern whether or not there was much of a line between using a regular EFX unit and using the Ableton based effects on CDJ/vinyl sourced sound.


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zolwik
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Re: Re: Re: Xone and Ableton connectivity

thanks so much! i really was thinking about this in the way you describe it but wasn't sure if this all gonna work. I don't have Xone yet so i couldn't check anything by myself :/.




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For effecting real decks, utilize the sends of your mixer! Route the efx 1 and or efx 2 send to an input on your soundcard. Within Ableton, create an audio track that takes input from that sound card input, set monitoring to "in", and set the channel output to another sound card output. You'll then connect that up to the return on the Xone. Drag effects onto that channel in Ableton, and use the send/return mechanism on the Xone to control wet/dry just like an EFX unit. Once again, latency can really hurt you here.


Here was my biggest problem. Does xone have RETURN?

And if i would like to use Ableton with midi controller do i need soundcard?

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Stu Cox
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Originally posted by Ryan0751
Well most people don't buy 2 EFX boxes and put them in line either... you run it through your effects loop on your mixer, same thing with the laptop.

And it WILL work if you are very careful about the latency. Also, the type of effect can mask it... if you quickly cut over to the "wet" signal, you can also minimize the delay.


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You do need a shit hot lappy and a shit hot sound card, but it can be done.

Personally I think I'd only ever do it with a mutha of a MIDI controller so I can get down and dirty tweakin' the knobs so until then I'll stick to my EFX, but it's definitely something I want to look into.

Whether Ableton's the best tool for the job or not is another matter... Reaktor would probably be my first port of call but hey - if Ableton can do it then you've got a world of VSTs at your fingertips


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Clovis
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Question for Ryan:

What if you routed your CDJ audio into ableton channels and THEN into the mixer?


I'm really interested in getting a Xone 62 or 92 and routing all 4 Ableton channels into the mixer, for all, the mixing, and using my X-session for effects and stuff.


Good thread!


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Allied Nations
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Question for Ryan:

What if you routed your CDJ audio into ableton channels and THEN into the mixer?


I'm really interested in getting a Xone 62 or 92 and routing all 4 Ableton channels into the mixer, for all, the mixing, and using my X-session for effects and stuff.


Good thread!


my friend does that here.. he runs all the outputs on his audio interfce into whatever 4 channel mixer.. im not sure exactly how he does it, but its pretty sneaky... he's on TA


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Ryan0751
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That's how most people do it, actually. Mixing with MIDI controls sucks ass.

I would NOT route your CDJ's through ableton directly.

A. They won't work when ableton isn't running.
B. You'll introduce the latency, and it'll sound like butt.

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my friend does that here.. he runs all the outputs on his audio interfce into whatever 4 channel mixer.. im not sure exactly how he does it, but its pretty sneaky... he's on TA

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Allied Nations
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quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
That's how most people do it, actually. Mixing with MIDI controls sucks ass.

I would NOT route your CDJ's through ableton directly.

A. They won't work when ableton isn't running.
B. You'll introduce the latency, and it'll sound like butt.


word, much better to have the cdjs either on a second line or by themselves on a channel.


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Clovis
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quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
That's how most people do it, actually. Mixing with MIDI controls sucks ass.

I would NOT route your CDJ's through ableton directly.

A. They won't work when ableton isn't running.
B. You'll introduce the latency, and it'll sound like butt.



Good to know. I've never tried it and was just wondering if it might work.


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