yeah seriously... it was funny ive had people tell me i need to jump around a bit more, be the attracitve young dj, smile and go nuts behind the decks... and i think about it and am like, hmm maybe, but then when the gig comes around, i just dance and keep moving, but i just cant bring myself to do the whole over the top crowd pumping....

its not that i dont want to, i just forget, and it doesnt even matter because if the tunes are going, the dancefloor does its thing

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Originally posted by Allied Nations yeah seriously... it was funny ive had people tell me i need to jump around a bit more, be the attracitve young dj, smile and go nuts behind the decks... and i think about it and am like, hmm maybe, but then when the gig comes around, i just dance and keep moving, but i just cant bring myself to do the whole over the top crowd pumping.... its not that i dont want to, i just forget, and it doesnt even matter because if the tunes are going, the dancefloor does its thing

I've always found it a bit comical when DJs are way over the top with the crowd pumping up and dancing to the music inside there booth. Kinda like that one DJ, who's name I forgot, that was caught facking the mix did.

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Originally posted by Oreoh142 Kinda like that one DJ, who's name I forgot, that was caught facking the mix did.

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Originally posted by Oreoh142 I've always found it a bit comical when DJs are way over the top with the crowd pumping up and dancing to the music inside there booth. Kinda like that one DJ, who's name I forgot, that was caught facking the mix did.

Peter Hook.

You guys need to see Digweed more, he's a total zombie, always has been, but ya, who cares. I remember when he came to MTL a few years ago, they had a camera on his fingers/mixer and it was being fed to a big ass screen on the side of the wall, was kinda cool actually.

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I actually think it's cool when the DJ gets into the music, but it all depends. Some DJs like Digweed...they concentrate which does mean smoother mixing. But he's not a "performer" per say, he takes it more technical and musical. Tiesto on the other hand....he's pretty much a performer...and so is Sven Vath. They are their to entertain. Ultimately, Digweed lets the music speak for itself rather than try to draw attention to himself..which I admire as well. It all depends on what your in the mood for. I don't mind either.

And eliminating breakdowns....depends on the style but it's quite easy to just mix in on the breakdown...in a sense it's still there but your overlapping the breakdown (maybe cut it short) and transition to the next track. I have done that sometimes (sometimes on accident, sometimes not) when I've mixed over the years. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I think breakdowns can be made of use, rather than just eliminating them completely. But some music like epic trance....the breakdown is a big chunk of the track, and to eliminate it....kind of takes away the theme of the track IMO.

I dont think house tunes for the most part, need their breakdowns taken out, actually, in my opinion, if you want to keep people dancing i'd make an attempt to shorten the build up, IE: in Pryda tunes when the build up is 4 minutes long. (I heart Prydz, and all his tunes, but it's a bit too much sometimes IMO)

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Tiesto on the other hand

when i saw tiesto in DC... he didnt interact with the crowd at all for the most part... he was just playing tunes..


im not sure if hes just calloused to clubs now just cuz hes used to Tiesto in concert stadiumesque venues or he was just concentrating on the music



Armin Van Buuren on the otherhand.... wat a fake puppet dj...

everybreakdown... and i mean everybreakdown (his music has a shitload of em too...) he either had his hands in the air ... took his headphones off and put em up in the air... or was clapping his hands

for 4 hours straight every breakdown... always smiling

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Originally posted by Spirit5 I actually think it's cool when the DJ gets into the music, but it all depends. Some DJs like Digweed...they concentrate which does mean smoother mixing. But he's not a "performer" per say, he takes it more technical and musical. Tiesto on the other hand....he's pretty much a performer...and so is Sven Vath. They are their to entertain. Ultimately, Digweed lets the music speak for itself rather than try to draw attention to himself..which I admire as well. It all depends on what your in the mood for. I don't mind either. And eliminating breakdowns....depends on the style but it's quite easy to just mix in on the breakdown...in a sense it's still there but your overlapping the breakdown (maybe cut it short) and transition to the next track. I have done that sometimes (sometimes on accident, sometimes not) when I've mixed over the years. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I think breakdowns can be made of use, rather than just eliminating them completely. But some music like epic trance....the breakdown is a big chunk of the track, and to eliminate it....kind of takes away the theme of the track IMO.

I think the overall feeling of the night and vibe on the dancefloor is more important than the "theme" of the track or whatever idea the producer had in his head. If you find a track works better w/out a breakdown, get it out of there. I see what you're saying, but it's somewhat impractical when it comes to actually playing out. We've developed the technology to be able to rapidly edit songs in order to perfect them for dancefloor use - if that involves cutting out a breakdown (or adding one as I've done to plenty of techno records), so be it.

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Originally posted by Allied Nations I think the overall feeling of the night and vibe on the dancefloor is more important than the "theme" of the track or whatever idea the producer had in his head. If you find a track works better w/out a breakdown, get it out of there. I see what you're saying, but it's somewhat impractical when it comes to actually playing out. We've developed the technology to be able to rapidly edit songs in order to perfect them for dancefloor use - if that involves cutting out a breakdown (or adding one as I've done to plenty of techno records), so be it. IMO

I understand as far as the dancefloor is concerned but there are many trance tracks of the epic variety that to eliminate the breakdown, is to eliminate the basic ingredient in the track. There's a track called "Time To Say Goodbye" by Envio. The breakdown is massive, and to me..if that was to be taken out of the track...it would take something away from the track. Maybe other examples would be Hydra's "Affinity (Thrillseekers Dub)" or Mike Shiver's "Feelings (Cosmicman's Messah Remix)". Definitely Solar Stone's "Seven Cities" would be totally missing the magic of the track without it's unbelievably beautiful breakdown.

To me, not every track in a set should be this pounding rhythm, there needs to be some variety. If a set just had the same sounding bassline, kick drum, hi hats etc...it wouldn't keep me interested. There should be some melodic or harmonic elements, esp in a trance set. You could get away with not having that in a drum n' bass, breaks or techno set, but not trance or house IMO.

So I guess playing rhythmic tracks mixed in with tracks where there are breakdowns is better than playing all rhythmic tracks with no breakdowns or sets with breakdown after breakdown. Even if they are just minor breakdowns, there should be some release and tension, and I think breakdowns give a set this. Besides, not everyone has the stamina to dance non-stop for two or three hours...so having some variety or low points in a set either in the beginning, somewhere in the middle, or at the end...is good IMO.

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there are many trance tracks of the epic variety that to eliminate the breakdown, is to eliminate the basic ingredient in the track.

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