Purple, thanks for bringing this up, interesting read. The real question is - who will be next in line to receive this American fund of nuclear weapons technology?

New round of arms race shall commence! This time in Asian theatre.

You know, its only a matter of time when a ruthless radicals seizes control of one or few of these weapons and starts a big war, when things go out of control, especially in badly uneducated, radical-filled and inspired nations like Pakistan, India ... another big border skirmish between the two can develop into a nuclear standoff or conflict ... The pace of the spread of the nuclear weapons is alarming. Nukes have been around for 60+ years now? Today India is our friend, but what about tomorrow? Shall we give nukes to all our friends?

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Originally posted by Purple India - South Asia Brazil - South America Iran - Middle East All these three countries more or less share same position in their subcontinent.. they all are democratic nations and have certain influence on their neighbors and subcontinent. This agreement will immediately shift power equations and give India an upper edge in the Asian Subcontinent. Why will Brazil, Argentina, Iran etc wouldn't want to duplicate it in their own sub-continent and have that same upper edge? If US is supplying India, Iran should get its supplies from China and Russia should help Brazil. Soon you will see India helping its friends. Everyone makes money!

What the hell?! Brazilian society doesn't even want nuclear plants, let alone nukes!

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Originally posted by Q5echo India has always had the upper hand. more so in the last 20 years militarily and economically than anyone on your "subcontinent". your country has been the only ones to have nukes on your "subcontinent" since 1974. what has changed since? nothing really except Pakistan. Pakistan obtained theirs illegally from another non NPT country. all the other countries are NPT countries. you're not making sense.

India dont have nukes since 1974. India had an upper hand only in last 10-12 years, after successfully testing nuclear bombs. 1974 blasts were a failure and India had nukes only in year 1998 after successful tests.

Pakistan got it nukes in dismantled state from China. China is a NPT country I think. India got its nuke technology from Russia which was its undeclared ally during Cold War. Russia shared extensive Nuclear knowhow and help build many nuclear reactors in India. India loves to claim that its a 'Non-Allied' country, but the fact is India always was an ally of USSR, who sold its space research/satellite, defense and nuclear technology to India. Russia built India's army.. war ships, submarines, MIG Fighter planes, intercontinental missiles, rifles, grenades, surveillance radars.. all are built from the help from Russians in past.

After the collapse of USSR and recent times, India is cautiously switching sides, and US has done a formidable job in making sure this transition is as comfortable for India as possible.

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Originally posted by George Smiley Aren't Iran and India a bit chummy with each other?

No, among all the Middle East/Muslim countries India 'had' best relations with Iran. The trade between two countries were huge, I mean business trade.. India also had plan of building an oil pipeline from Iran all the way to India, but because politically unstable Pakistan lies in between so it was shelved.

At the time of US lobbying for votes for sanctions on Iran, their was protests all over India against the sanctions, the main opposition party asked the government to vote against the sanctions and even part of the than present government had put a lot of pressure on Prime Minister to make it clear publicly to both Iran and US that India will vote against the sanctions. But US bribed India well with promise of this nuke deal and putting more pressure on Pakistan to stop terrorism in Kashmir, so India kept quit on this issue and didnt voiced any opinion on the matter. Since than relations between India and Iran went a downfall.

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Originally posted by Lira What the hell?! Brazilian society doesn't even want nuclear plants, let alone nukes!

I'm not sure how this has developed since 2004 but here is the issue at the time. Brazil was concerned that some of the technology they had developed was a national secret so they didn't want anyone to see how thier centerfuge was designed.

"Brazil is planning to commission later this year a uranium enrichment plant that, if configured to do so, could fuel several nuclear weapons annually. As a member of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT), Brazil has promised not to make such weapons and is obliged to allow the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to ensure this is the case. But this spring Brazil took the extraordinary step of barring the plant's doors to the IAEA's inspectors." (Oct. 22, 2004)


http://www.wisconsinproject.org/pub...clearPuzzle.htm

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Originally posted by Purple India dont have nukes since 1974. India had an upper hand only in last 10-12 years, after successfully testing nuclear bombs. 1974 blasts were a failure and India had nukes only in year 1998 after successful tests.

OPERATION SMILING BUDDHA in 1974, by all accounts, was a successful underground detonation of a fission device. if you want to argue about total yeild of that device then fine, but officially it was put at around 12 kilotons (Hiroshima was 13-16 kilotons).

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Pakistan got it nukes in dismantled state from China. China is a NPT country I think. India got its nuke technology from Russia which was its undeclared ally during Cold War.

maybe in the 80's but Operation Smiling Buddha was an entirely domestic effort.

India got its first official reactor in 1960 from Canada.

in 1963,American companies, General Electric and Bechtel, built the reactors in Tarapur, Maharashtra and they are still in operation.

i don't doubt for a second Russia and China over the years helped them with reactors for power generation or weaponizing their nukes but India originally did a lot of their own legwork.

and your right, China is an NPT country. but North Korea isn't and they have helped Pakistan in there nuke effort and weaponizing nukes

Am I reading something wrong here? I though Pakistan got nuclear weapons blueprints technology from Netherlands ... via then scientist Khan, who is now a big hero in Pakistan

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Am I reading something wrong here? I though Pakistan got nuclear weapons blueprints technology from Netherlands ... via then scientist Khan, who is now a big hero in Pakistan

you're right. Khan got his technology from the Nederlands.

but it's an entirely different issue being able to weaponize that technology.

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Originally posted by Q5echo you're right. Khan got his technology from the Nederlands. but it's an entirely different issue being able to weaponize that technology.

True, true. I havent read about WHO gave Pakistan nuclear weapons equipment, and India ... But I'd like to know for a fact, because I am getting confused here. Who started the nuclear arms race between India and Pakistan?

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Originally posted by atbell I'm not sure how this has developed since 2004 but here is the issue at the time. Brazil was concerned that some of the technology they had developed was a national secret so they didn't want anyone to see how thier centerfuge was designed. "Brazil is planning to commission later this year a uranium enrichment plant that, if configured to do so, could fuel several nuclear weapons annually. As a member of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT), Brazil has promised not to make such weapons and is obliged to allow the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to ensure this is the case. But this spring Brazil took the extraordinary step of barring the plant's doors to the IAEA's inspectors." (Oct. 22, 2004) http://www.wisconsinproject.org/pub...clearPuzzle.htm

Oh, true that, that was some of the drama surrounding our nuclear reactor (although there's someone trying to shut it down every other week, reason why I said society doesn't seem to support it that much).

What I knew about it is quickly dismissed by the article when it says [i]t seems unlikely that Brazil is really concerned that the IAEA will illegally reveal industrial secrets, although I'm not so sure about it.

Besides, I don't think Brazilians in general would support it unless we had an "enemy", so to speak. And Argentinians in general wouldn't support it in any case

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