Griffey is *clearly* a better player than Bonds? You might want to clean the fog off your lenses 'cause that's *clearly* not the case.

Both were great defenders. Both hit for about the same average. Both hit for, roughly, the same power. But... Bonds stole many more bases than Griffey did. And he also much higher OBPs than Griffey did. What was Griffey much better than Bonds in?

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Originally posted by Shamez214 Griffey is *clearly* a better player than Bonds? You might want to clean the fog off your lenses 'cause that's *clearly* not the case. Both were great defenders. Both hit for about the same average. Both hit for, roughly, the same power. But... Bonds stole many more bases than Griffey did. And he also much higher OBPs than Griffey did. What was Griffey much better than Bonds in?

injuries!

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Originally posted by Shamez214 Griffey is *clearly* a better player than Bonds? You might want to clean the fog off your lenses 'cause that's *clearly* not the case.

Didn't I say i was talking about the MID 90's!!!!!

if you were living under a rock back then.... well Griffey was the best player ever, he was going to break the HR Record... EVERYTHING....

but yes, NOW, Griffey is nothing cause of the injuries.... I'm not comparing Griffey to Bonds as of 2007.... duh... who would??? You'd have to be on crack...

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now the big question is when Griffey evetually hits 600, and imo will surpass the rest of the guys to be at least 5th all time before retiring, does he deserve to be in the Hall of Fame? Griffey was the man back then. yeah Bonds was the better guy putting up stats from left to right, but Griffey entertained the crowd every night. The reason why he had all those injuries in the past, because he kept running into the wall.

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Originally posted by King Ecnal Didn't I say i was talking about the MID 90's!!!!! if you were living under a rock back then.... well Griffey was the best player ever, he was going to break the HR Record... EVERYTHING.... but yes, NOW, Griffey is nothing cause of the injuries.... I'm not comparing Griffey to Bonds as of 2007.... duh... who would??? You'd have to be on crack...

Ummm... I'm talking about the 90's too. In the 90's, Bonds and Griffey were both winning Gold Gloves. They were both hitting home runs. They were both hitting around .300.

Griffey hit 382 homeruns as opposed to Bonds' 361 during the '90s. Not a big difference.

Griffey won 10 Gold Gloves during the 90's, one every year. Bonds won 8. Not a big difference.

Bonds' OBP was above .400 every year in the 90's except '99. Griffey's was above .400 only twice. A huge difference.

From 1990 - 1999, Bonds stole 343 bases. Griffey stole 157 during the same time. Again, a huge difference.

Bonds had 3 MVPs, Griffey had 1.

So really... how was Griffey better?

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Originally posted by LeopoldStotch now the big question is when Griffey evetually hits 600, and imo will surpass the rest of the guys to be at least 5th all time before retiring, does he deserve to be in the Hall of Fame? Griffey was the man back then. yeah Bonds was the better guy putting up stats from left to right, but Griffey entertained the crowd every night. The reason why he had all those injuries in the past, because he kept running into the wall.

Are you seriously asking that question?

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Originally posted by Shamez214 Are you seriously asking that question?

Griffey hater!

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Originally posted by LeopoldStotch Griffey hater!

I actually love Griffey and think he, Bonds, and Frank Thomas were, unquestionably, the 3 best players of the 90's. But, I don't think either of those two were as complete of a player as Bonds was. Bonds was Willie Mays. But most people tend to be clouded by that steroid shit and completely disregard how great of a player Bonds was during the 90s.

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Just to be more clear, all three of those players are no-doubt Hall of Famers to me.

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Originally posted by Shamez214 Ummm... I'm talking about the 90's too. In the 90's, Bonds and Griffey were both winning Gold Gloves. They were both hitting home runs. They were both hitting around .300. Griffey hit 382 homeruns as opposed to Bonds' 361 during the '90s. Not a big difference. Griffey won 10 Gold Gloves during the 90's, one every year. Bonds won 8. Not a big difference. Bonds' OBP was above .400 every year in the 90's except '99. Griffey's was above .400 only twice. A huge difference. From 1990 - 1999, Bonds stole 343 bases. Griffey stole 157 during the same time. Again, a huge difference. Bonds had 3 MVPs, Griffey had 1. So really... how was Griffey better?

Griffey was still a KID!!!!!!!

Bonds was in his prime... Griffey was in his 20's!!!

end of discussion!

and stop drudging up stats to back up your crackpot theories... thanks...lol...

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this is a stupid question, but did bond ever win the world series?

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Originally posted by Kapedan this is a stupid question, but did bond ever win the world series?

Nope.

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Originally posted by LeopoldStotch now the big question is when Griffey evetually hits 600, and imo will surpass the rest of the guys to be at least 5th all time before retiring, does he deserve to be in the Hall of Fame? Griffey was the man back then. yeah Bonds was the better guy putting up stats from left to right, but Griffey entertained the crowd every night. The reason why he had all those injuries in the past, because he kept running into the wall.

Gale Sayers is in the Hall of Fame. /discussion.

As for Griffey vs. Bonds, yes, Barry was a good fielder, but you have to consider that he was playing the easiest position on a baseball field aside from DH or 1B. Gold Gloves don't put him on par with the greatest fielder at any position in decades, especially when he was playing the 2nd most demanding position on the field (besides catcher). As mentioned earlier, as well, Griffey is 6 years younger than Bonds.

for another quick stat, Griffey had far more RBIs than Bonds. Bonds had 130 ONCE in his career--in 2001, with 73 home runs. Griffey went 140, 147, 146, 137 from '96-'99.