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Another thought: saturation.

Great point. This point is where I usually change my musical direction.

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Originally posted by Semirk I don;t know if this will directly link to your thread but I hope it does in some way. Recently I have definitely felt a bit disheartened by the state of dance music these days. Sure theres always decent tracks out there and ones I purchase but then after i've purchased them and listen to them I don't feel too much any more. I mean linking to the internet point raise above, I never feel that chill down my spine or hairs on the back of my neck stand up when theres a truly amazing tune or riff setting in. Before the dawn of the internet in the scene I felt these feelings. I think i'm a bit lost myself with dance music lately as i'm searching other types of EDM wishing theres something different and great out there but on the whole i'm disappointed. I don't know where i'm heading with my tastes myself. I don't even feel as if I want to listen to my music as much anymore. Good to see other people feel kinda the same anyway.

Yeah, saturation can mean overstimulation. If you hit yourself with a set of sensations again and again and again (and the ease of the Internet and downloading music surely encourages this), the impact can diminish over time.

btw, when i meant plur, i was speaking about the really entuiastic state of mind the beginner listeners have, not the exact early 90's PLUR movement

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I've thought about this in regard to production as well. I think that in an era of cheap software many people no longer have a certain sense of "respect" and fascination that might have come from owning just one or two hardware synths. A hardware synth is this unique physical thing sitting there on your desk (or whatever). There's only one of it. It's not easily duplicated. So it's easy to "fall in love" with it, so to speak, which might sound kind of silly, but I've heard hardware owners talking about that feeling, like this thread. When you have a bunch of easily accessed software, it seems like people tend to try to "plunder" synths for certain sounds, fiddling with them superficially for the perfect supersaw (or whatever), like somebody ransacking a room in search of some cash, moving right onto the next room (synth) when the objective isn't found. I think this is part of what leads to shallow musicianship and boring sound engineering, to people who care little for the craft and everything for belching out something that sounds like a certain narrow subset of "professional music."

But, you know, it's affordable to do this now, and not everybody does it anyway, so...whatever.

A bit off-topic, sorry.

I see what you mean by 'plur', and I can even extend the discussion to the creative part of the music, I mean everything related to production.
At the beginning a producer will enjoy a kind of sound that he has created and try to develop it. For instance I used to make long breakdowns with a breakbeat sequence, now I like short breakdowns with a more danceable swoop.
Both on production and listening I also think it's a question of maturity, I was more elitist before, now I can listen to every kind of music and enjoy it if it's well made, scheißegal if it's rock, pop, progressive house, minimal, whatever you want... I surely wouldn't have been able to tell such thing some years ago.

Edit: shit Mr Jivo you beat me to it

I find it the opposite. The more I'm listening to EDM, the more I find tunes I wouldn't have liked before I listened to EDM. I would've never listened/liked the majority of my songs before I listened to EDM, but now I feel that I might be buying too many tracks that I'm overrating because I like EDM.

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Originally posted by ballmouse I find it the opposite. The more I'm listening to EDM, the more I find tunes I wouldn't have liked before I listened to EDM. I would've never listened/liked the majority of my songs before I listened to EDM, but now I feel that I might be buying too many tracks that I'm overrating because I like EDM.

So isn't that a contradiction?

I don't think anyone said they like less music after becoming cynical..

I've never liked dance music more than right now. It's just that you get very good at finding what you like and you find that you start liking other things.

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Originally posted by Semirk So isn't that a contradiction?

Yes. I'm saying I'm finding so much stuff I like that I can't help to wonder should I actually be liking this?

I don't really know how to explain it. It was that feeling when I listened to Papua New Guinea and I instantly realized that I loved it, yet then I listened again and I realized that I don't actually love it. I've just been sucked into EDM and I feel like I'm loving everything, but I don't. I only love it because I'm so used to EDM and that I love it that I just love it. See, it's hard to understand; I don't know how to word it.

probly not, maybe when i'm in really really really good mood. In fact I rarely enjoy music nemore.

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Originally posted by ballmouse Yes. I'm saying I'm finding so much stuff I like that I can't help to wonder should I actually be liking this? I don't really know how to explain it. It was that feeling when I listened to Papua New Guinea and I instantly realized that I loved it, yet then I listened again and I realized that I don't actually love it. I've just been sucked into EDM and I feel like I'm loving everything, but I don't. I only love it because I'm so used to EDM and that I love it that I just love it. See, it's hard to understand; I don't know how to word it.

No, I get you. I've found myself feeling the same way as i've pointed out earlier on in the thread. For example, i'll hear a sample and think hmm thats good, purchase it, then not be so sure after buying it.

Theres nothing really that mindblowing out there anymore i've found, not to me anyway. A lot of good tracks but nothing that stands out. I'm finding more and more my collection is one-dimensional but brancing out into other EDM genres is not getting me anywhere in terms of uniqueness either.