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Fir3start3r
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Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
no, it will be; "Do we attack the rich?" election.


Besides, who the hell is going to hold the, "Let's attack Iran" banner anyways?

political suicide for sure....


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Q5echo
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Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Dallas

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Besides, who the hell is going to hold the, "Let's attack Iran" banner anyways?

political suicide for sure....


nobody. it's just fear sells that's all.

Old Post Aug-21-2007 05:23  United States
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Magnetonium
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Registered: Sep 2001
Location: Port Burwell, Ontario, Canada

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Besides, who the hell is going to hold the, "Let's attack Iran" banner anyways?

political suicide for sure....


Placing an elite government military branch in list of terrorists equal to Al Qaeda is pretty much announcing the intentions. They dont want to attack Iran right now, so obviously they dont want to put your label on - the world will then see it as an act of American agression - and Americans like pretexts, no matter how lame, wrong and unjustified they can be; but by the time the opportunity will present itself clearly, all these "signs" will be implemented into action. Wars don't just start out of nowhere and without any signs ahead ...


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Magnetonium
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An interesting read from someone (Robert Baer) who is actually a respected expert in this field, former CIA operative on Middle East theatre:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/art...1654188,00.html

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Reports that the Bush Administration will put Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps on the terrorism list can be read in one of two ways: it's either more bluster or, ominously, a wind-up for a strike on Iran. Officials I talk to in Washington vote for a hit on the IRGC, maybe within the next six months. And they think that as long as we have bombers and missiles in the air, we will hit Iran's nuclear facilities. An awe and shock campaign, lite, if you will. But frankly they're guessing; after Iraq the White House trusts no one, especially the bureaucracy.

As with Saddam and his imagined WMD, the Administration's case against the IRGC is circumstantial. The U.S. military suspects but cannot prove that the IRGC is the main supplier of sophisticated improvised explosive devices to insurgents killing our forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. The most sophisticated version, explosive formed projectiles or shape charges, are capable of penetrating the armor of an Abrams tank, disabling the tank and killing the crew.

A former CIA explosives expert who still works in Iraq told me: "The Iranians are making them. End of story." His argument is only a state is capable of manufacturing the EFP's, which involves a complicated annealing process. Incidentally, he also is convinced the IRGC is helping Iraqi Shia militias sight in their mortars on the Green Zone. "The way they're dropping them in, in neat grids, tells me all I need to know that the Shia are getting help. And there's no doubt it's Iranian, the IRGC's," he said.

A second part of the Administration's case against the IRGC is that the IRGC has had a long, established history of killing Americans, starting with the attack on the Marines in Beirut in 1983. And that's not to mention it was the IRGC that backed Hizballah in its thirty-four day war against Israel last year. The feeling in the Administration is that we should have taken care of the IRGC a long, long time ago.

Strengthening the Administration's case for a strike on Iran, there's a belief among neo-cons that the IRGC is the one obstacle to democratic and a friendly Iran. They believe that if we were to get rid of the IRGC, the clerics would fall, and our thirty-years war with Iran over. It's another neo-con delusion, but still it informs White House thinking.

And what do we do if just the opposite happens — a strike on Iran unifies Iranians behind the regime? An Administration official told me it's not even a consideration. "IRGC IED's are a casus belli for this administration. There will be an attack on Iran."

— Robert Baer, a former CIA field officer assigned to the Middle East, is TIME.com's intelligence columnist and the author of See No Evil and, most recently, the novel Blow the House Down


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If we weren't in Iraq, Iran wouldn't be doing this shit. Is our president beyond RETARDED!?


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Originally posted by Krypton Is our president beyond RETARDED!?


Do you really have to ask?


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Krypton
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Registered: Nov 2003
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Do you really have to ask?


Warren Buffet once said, "Buy a company that is so good, an idiot can run, because eventually one will."

Look our country. The United States is so good, an idiot can quite literally run it, and eventually will. We have our idiot in office right now. This idiot should just resign right now.

I am Republican, and my party is being ruined by this high level, possibly conspiratorial policy of invading an oil rich country from trumped up charges. I'm going to start a new party. One that actually respects the boundries set by the international community and the US constititution.


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Krypton for the president? I mean you cant be worst this Bush dude after all!!


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Krypton
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Registered: Nov 2003
Location: Texas

I only WISH I was president. I would change the way the government caters to multi-national corporations.

Let's have a mock PDD election


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It may be a shot in the dark, since my history is a bit rusty, but isn't there a bilateral treaty between Iran & Russia, formed at the 1st afghan war, almost a military alliance, i.e. if one country gets attacked, it must declare war on its attacker? Even though USSR is nonexistent, its legal successor is Russia..
Might get interesting in the international scene too.


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Krypton
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Registered: Nov 2003
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It may be a shot in the dark, since my history is a bit rusty, but isn't there a bilateral treaty between Iran & Russia, formed at the 1st afghan war, almost a military alliance, i.e. if one country gets attacked, it must declare war on its attacker? Even though USSR is nonexistent, its legal successor is Russia..
Might get interesting in the international scene too.


I hope to god my country won't do anything more stupid than invading Iraq.

Impeach this mofo before we ruin the world.


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Registered: Oct 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by Krypton
I hope to god my country won't do anything more stupid than invading Iraq.

Impeach this mofo before we ruin the world.


What's impeaching going to do to prevent this? You think Bush is the mastermind behind this plan?

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