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Originally posted by Q5echo you stay classy Islamist appologists. go wash your f**kin feet you stink ass little Asyrian before i make you eat them. bitch.

LOL, do you even know what an "Asyrian" (i.e. Assyrian) is?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN this isnt a debate about who should be the most responsible. just that the western world seems far more concerned with military interventions than accepting refugess.

agreed to the extent of military interventions. Refugees on the other hand are a very touchy thing. It's hard to just let in a flood of refugees because the recieving country now has to keep track of foreigners. I think the best solution is to support the refugees wherever they are, but try to fix the problem crisis that started the exodus in the first place.

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and how myopic are you? since when does a state's stance have any bearing on how to treat the individual? "oh, we're enemies of saddam's iraq or the taliban, let's not allow refugees from those countries into our own, they're our enemy!" im not saying israel should bear the brunt of everything, just a little pissed that a nation who effectively had to steal their current land and whom won't let the holocaust ever be forgotten- do not seem to care much for those now in similar circumstances when they have the capacity to help them.

myopic

I said Israel should accept the refugees. Send whatever aide is appropriate, but that's it. Accept some refugees, but definately can't let in a flood of refugees though. International pressure though has recently shown some promise with the Sudanese president saying he'll let in peacekeepers.

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I think we all know Isaeli's job is making refugess, not taking them in.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I think we all know Isaeli's job is making refugess, not taking them in.

Millions right? When you think about the big picture, it seems almost Shakespearean in tragedy.

UNfortunately for many, Israel is not going anywhere. They will make concessions, but will never give in. I don't know how trying to wipe Israel off the map is going to fix the situation, because as history has shown, Israel don't get wiped off the map easily.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN ^^ i realise that Q5. It just seems that every western country that ever gets (relatively small) numbers of refugees always has a rational, logical reason for telling them to bugger off.

Maybe they should have tried getting into the country legally first; just a thought...

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Originally posted by Krypton Millions right?

Well, if you're talking about taking in millions of refugess, then yes, but only if they're Jewish. And if you're talking about making refugess, then yes, only if they're Palestinian.

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Originally posted by Krypton When you think about the big picture, it seems almost Shakespearean in tragedy. UNfortunately for many, Israel is not going anywhere. They will make concessions, but will never give in. I don't know how trying to wipe Israel off the map is going to fix the situation, because as history has shown, Israel don't get wiped off the map easily.

Who said anything about "wiping Israel off the map?"

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

BTW, Q, stay away from Cheney, he'll definetly "shoot you in the face" lol.

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Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Maybe they should have tried getting into the country legally first; just a thought...

i dont know about you, but i find my handwriting on government forms goes to shit when im dodging automatic gun fire

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Goodbye Q5echo it was nice knowing you.You can now take your spam elsewhere.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Well, if you're talking about taking in millions of refugess, then yes, but only if they're Jewish. And if you're talking about making refugess, then yes, only if they're Palestinian. Who said anything about "wiping Israel off the map?"

Some really bad dudes.

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One thing that's clear and what some here are ignoring is that these Sudanese refugees are not representing the evils and torture of the Sudanese regime. They escaped it, and by no means they condone it. The evidence against Egyptian security services is also appalling. Pkc for once is right, that Jewish state, its citizens once slaughtered by Nazis, now letting the same thing happen to helpless poor suffering people from Darfur ... its just utterly appalling and disgusting to me.

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Knowing full well what has happened to some Darfur refugees in Egypt, how could Israel send these poor people back for almost certain torture and/or death?

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