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colonelcrisp
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Registered: Apr 2003
Location: Ottawa

quote:
Originally posted by Magnetonium


I mean, its one thing when you and your gang think that just 9/11 was not a conspiracy. But seriously, people like you go around everywhere and say on every single occassion that the government never does thing and that, and cant do it. I mean, they must have you on a payroll or something. You really have to be a one very abiding sheep tuned to their frequencies to be like that. How can you trust them when they continue to lie, and just look at history for Christ's sake ... or is it just ignorance is bliss? Ahhh, we may never know ...



the fact still remains that I went to school with alot of the local "protesters" and they were and still are very militant asshats. they promoted confrontation on teh protest marches because the view it is the only way to get media attention.

so i ask you again

what did harper have to benefit from hiring peopel when there are a plethora of heinous douchebags from carleton U who will do it for free


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Old Post Aug-23-2007 16:22  Canada
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B018
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Re: Police accused of using provocateurs at summit (Canada)

quote:
Originally posted by Swamper
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/248608

Police accused of using provocateurs at summit

Aug 21, 2007 09:14 PM
Canadian Press

OTTAWA – Protesters are accusing police of using undercover agents to provoke violent confrontations at the North American leaders' summit in Montebello, Que.

Such accusations have been made before after similar demonstrations but this time the alleged "agents provocateurs" have been caught on camera.

A video, posted on YouTube, shows three young men, their faces masked by bandannas, mingling Monday with protesters in front of a line of police in riot gear. At least one of the masked men is holding a rock in his hand.

The three are confronted by protest organizer Dave Coles, president of the Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union of Canada. Coles makes it clear the masked men are not welcome among his group of protesters, whom he describes as mainly grandparents. He urges them to leave and find their own protest location.

Coles also demands that they put down their rocks. Other protesters begin to chime in that the three are really police agents. Several try to snatch the bandanas from their faces.

Rather than leave, the three actually start edging closer to the police line, where they appear to engage in discussions. They eventually push their way past an officer, whereupon other police shove them to the ground and handcuff them.

Late Tuesday, photographs taken by another protester surfaced, showing the trio lying prone on the ground. The photos show the soles of their boots adorned by yellow triangles. A police officer kneeling beside the men has an identical yellow triangle on the sole of his boot.

Kevin Skerrett, a protester with the group Nowar-Paix, said the photos and video together present powerful evidence that the men were actually undercover police officers.

"I think the circumstantial evidence is very powerful," he said.

The three do not appear to have been arrested or charged with any offence.

Police confirm that only four protesters were arrested during the summit – two men and two women. All have been charged with obstruction and resisting arrest.

Veteran protester Jaggi Singh, who is helping to circulate the video as widely as possible, said all four of those arrested are known to organizers and are genuine protesters.

"But we see very clearly in that video three (other) men being arrested . . . How do (police) account for these three people being taken in, being arrested? Where did they go?" Singh said.

"I have no hesitation in saying they were police agents . . . and they were caught red-handed."

Singh, a member of the Montreal-based No One is Illegal, believes the agents were meant to provoke a confrontation and give the police an excuse to use some of their "toys," such as tear gas and rubber bullets.

"To a certain extent it's self-fulfilling logic. You provide police with this kind of equipment and they end up using it and one way to justify it is to plant some people that toss a rock or two."

Neither the RCMP nor the Surete du Quebec would comment on the video or even discuss generally whether they ever use the tactic of employing agents provocateurs.

"I cannot answer your question because I don't have the information," said Const. Kane Kramer, a spokesman for the RCMP at the summit.

Video:


Both protestors in this picture are wearing the same boots as the cop -- that together with the way those protestors behaved in the video makes this all very fishy...




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Swamper
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quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Why would Harper need provocateurs to begin with when there's asshats that will do it for free?


That's a good question, and I doubt it was a high level thing - however, looking at the behaviour of these guys in the video, the boots, and the fact they weren't charged with anything makes things a little fishy. No?


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quote:
White House Manual Details How to Deal With Protesters

By Peter Baker
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 22, 2007; A02

Not that they're worried or anything. But the White House evidently leaves little to chance when it comes to protests within eyesight of the president. As in, it doesn't want any.

A White House manual that came to light recently gives presidential advance staffers extensive instructions in the art of "deterring potential protestors" from President Bush's public appearances around the country.

Among other things, any event must be open only to those with tickets tightly controlled by organizers. Those entering must be screened in case they are hiding secret signs. Any anti-Bush demonstrators who manage to get in anyway should be shouted down by "rally squads" stationed in strategic locations. And if that does not work, they should be thrown out.

But that does not mean the White House is against dissent -- just so long as the president does not see it. In fact, the manual outlines a specific system for those who disagree with the president to voice their views. It directs the White House advance staff to ask local police "to designate a protest area where demonstrators can be placed, preferably not in the view of the event site or motorcade route."

The "Presidential Advance Manual," dated October 2002 with the stamp "Sensitive -- Do Not Copy," was released under subpoena to the American Civil Liberties Union as part of a lawsuit filed on behalf of two people arrested for refusing to cover their anti-Bush T-shirts at a Fourth of July speech at the West Virginia State Capitol in 2004. The techniques described have become familiar over the 6 1/2 years of Bush's presidency, but the manual makes it clear how organized the anti-protest policy really is.

The lawsuit was filed by Jeffery and Nicole Rank, who attended the Charleston event wearing shirts with the word "Bush" crossed out on the front; the back of his shirt said "Regime Change Starts at Home," while hers said "Love America, Hate Bush." Members of the White House event staff told them to cover their shirts or leave, according to the lawsuit. They refused and were arrested, handcuffed and briefly jailed before local authorities dropped the charges and apologized. The federal government settled the First Amendment case last week for $80,000, but with no admission of wrongdoing.

The manual demonstrates "that the White House has a policy of excluding and/or attempting to squelch dissenting viewpoints from presidential events," said ACLU lawyer Jonathan Miller. "Individuals should have the right to express their opinion to the president, even if it's not a favorable one."

White House spokesman Tony Fratto said that he could not discuss the manual because it is an issue in two other lawsuits.

The manual offers advance staffers and volunteers who help set up presidential events guidelines for assembling crowds. Those invited into a VIP section on or near the stage, for instance, must be " extremely supportive of the Administration," it says. While the Secret Service screens audiences only for possible threats, the manual says, volunteers should examine people before they reach security checkpoints and look out for signs. Make sure to look for "folded cloth signs," it advises.

To counter any demonstrators who do get in, advance teams are told to create "rally squads" of volunteers with large hand-held signs, placards or banners with "favorable messages." Squads should be placed in strategic locations and "at least one squad should be 'roaming' throughout the perimeter of the event to look for potential problems," the manual says.

"These squads should be instructed always to look for demonstrators," it says. "The rally squad's task is to use their signs and banners as shields between the demonstrators and the main press platform. If the demonstrators are yelling, rally squads can begin and lead supportive chants to drown out the protestors (USA!, USA!, USA!). As a last resort, security should remove the demonstrators from the event site."

Advance teams are advised not to worry if protesters are not visible to the president or cameras: "If it is determined that the media will not see or hear them and that they pose no potential disruption to the event, they can be ignored. On the other hand, if the group is carrying signs, trying to shout down the President, or has the potential to cause some greater disruption to the event, action needs to be taken immediately to minimize the demonstrator's effect."

The manual adds in bold type: "Remember -- avoid physical contact with demonstrators! Most often, the demonstrators want a physical confrontation. Do not fall into their trap!" And it suggests that advance staff should "decide if the solution would cause more negative publicity than if the demonstrators were simply left alone."

The staff at the West Virginia event may have missed that line.

Source: Washington Post


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Fir3start3r
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Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by Swamper
That's a good question, and I doubt it was a high level thing - however, looking at the behaviour of these guys in the video, the boots, and the fact they weren't charged with anything makes things a little fishy. No?


I'm almost willing to guess it was Indians off their reserve with nothing better to do.
I know that sounds bad, but I seriously wouldn't put it past them.
They've done standoffs with military garb before...

I have a pair of those boots, but that doesn't make me an asshat


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colonelcrisp
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Registered: Apr 2003
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quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
I'm almost willing to guess it was Indians off their reserve with nothing better to do.
I know that sounds bad, but I seriously wouldn't put it past them.
They've done standoffs with military garb before...

I have a pair of those boots, but that doesn't make me an asshat


well maybe an assberret.... but def not a asshat


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Yeah, I’d like to know what horrible, scarring incident in your childhood turned you into such an ignorant, intellectual-hating philistine?

Old Post Aug-23-2007 19:42  Canada
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Moral Hazard
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Registered: Mar 2005
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quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
I have a pair of those boots, but that doesn't make me an asshat


No, there are far more compelling reasons that you are an asshat

Honestly, I don't know what to think on this one. Certainly, there are a number of protest groups out there that I believe would and could pull off a stunt like this to make people believe that the police were inciting the crowd. I also wouldn't put it past the Surete du Quebec to run subversive operations... while CSIS is quite clear that they do not run political sub-version operations the RCMP, OPP, and SQ have never made such a clear statement. Regardless, I find it very difficult to believe the PMO would be involved in such activity. While, I think, all the Canadians in the PDD know I'm not a fan of Mr. Harper, he wouldn't be involved in such a thing - his style is more to control media coverage and dissent by controling access rather then fabricating a story or event.

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Late Tuesday, photographs taken by another protester surfaced, showing the trio lying prone on the ground. The photos show the soles of their boots adorned by yellow triangles. A police officer kneeling beside the men has an identical yellow triangle on the sole of his boot.

Wow, authority and monkeys do not mix.

and damn, the cops in that photo look like something out of 1984... do they have to dress so ... evilly? lol

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Magnetonium
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Location: Port Burwell, Ontario, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by colonelcrisp
the fact still remains that I went to school with alot of the local "protesters" and they were and still are very militant asshats. they promoted confrontation on teh protest marches because the view it is the only way to get media attention.

so i ask you again

what did harper have to benefit from hiring peopel when there are a plethora of heinous douchebags from carleton U who will do it for free


Because its hard to find douchebags who won't do it without a guarantee of protection ... you think that those people who do that stuff dont want some kind of protection if police caves in? You think they don't know what the purpose of hundreds of heavily armed riot police is for? You think a group of idiots wants to get their faces smashed for throwing a couple rocks? Dont you remember in Seattle how police allowed and watched as these face-covered radicals smashed stores, while protesters who tried to stop the douchebags were arrested and dragged away? Bad memory, perhaps?

This was they could use the protesters to score yet another victory over people and further discourage this type of protests in the future, or attempt to show public what the protesters are all about ... probably in an effort to decrease the number of protesters at later gatherings for easier chilling by the top brass ...


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WOW, all of a sudden every neo-con and pro-government tyranny supporters on here have at least TWO pairs of those boots ... while many others, including me, HAVE ZERO. I mean, I dont have or seen ever any shoes with a yellow triangle on the bottom like that ... dam, we all must be very unlucky ... or not on a government payroll.

Someone care to explain why the 3 idiots would go through all the trouble to try to camouflage their boots? Huh? What up with the tape on the front and the paint-like substance on the sides? Obviously not to look cool ...


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I guess not one of you has played outdoor paintball much...


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Magnetonium
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quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
I guess not one of you has played outdoor paintball much...


More evidence is flowing in:

http://www.ottawasun.com/News/Break...21/4436489.html

Police confirm that only four protesters were arrested during the summit – two men and two women. All have been charged with obstruction and resisting arrest.

Veteran protester Jaggi Singh, who is helping to circulate the video as widely as possible, said all four of those arrested are known to organizers and are genuine protesters.

"But we see very clearly in that video three (other) men being arrested . . . How do (police) account for these three people being taken in, being arrested? Where did they go?" Singh said.

"I have no hesitation in saying they were police agents . . . and they were caught red-handed."

Singh, a member of the Montreal-based No One is Illegal, believes the agents were meant to provoke a confrontation and give the police an excuse to use some of their "toys," such as tear gas and rubber bullets.

"To a certain extent it's self-fulfilling logic. You provide police with this kind of equipment and they end up using it and one way to justify it is to plant some people that toss a rock or two."

Neither the RCMP nor the Surete du Quebec would comment on the video or even discuss generally whether they ever use the tactic of employing agents provocateurs.

"I cannot answer your question because I don't have the information," said Const. Kane Kramer, a spokesman for the RCMP at the summit.

--------------------------------------------

WTF happened to these three arrested? Disappeared like a fart in the wind? Obviously they obstructed the police when they tried to go through the police line ... This is no longer conspiracy, Firestarter.


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