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Originally posted by derail Hmm, I can't see evidence of extreme cuts when I run frequency analyses of mastered trance tracks through Wavelab. Depending on the artist and overall vibe they have going on, that 0Hz-43Hz region ranges from extremely high to quite subdued. I generally aim to get my tracks towards the "quite subdued" region in the subs, just so I know the subs aren't going to go nuts on speakers which go down that low. But I don't high pass filter the sub bass and try to remove those frequencies completely. I've been to five mastering engineers so far and none of them removed the subs. Where did you get your figure of 90% from? Why do all the trance tracks I've analysed still have healthy levels in the subs? I don't do any work which is pure subs though. I'll sometimes use a bass which doesn't really go up past 100-120Hz, but that's about as low as I'll go.

errm, sorry for being not clear, I mean that most high pass there...which means there is still something going, but definitely not too much...also the inaudible sub-bass makes it harder to reach higher volumes, that's the reason why most engineers tend to highpass...that's all...ask anyone else, if you don't believe me

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thanks for additional tips, seems like simple enough solutions so i will give the ma try.

My monitors are a pair of Ultrasone DJ1 Pros... maybe I am not hearing the quashing very well?

edit: Did a couple things... gave the basslines and kicks a steeper high pass filter at around 40 hz, and also made the sidechain input to the basslines a bit advanced compared to the actual kicks.

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Last edited by ClearWater on Aug-27-2007 at 19:15

Yes, excessive sub bass definitely will hold back the overall apparent loudness of a track. But it doesn't have to be restrained too greatly to be able to push everything else up to maximal levels.

I'm sorry, when I read "they cut anything below 50 hz, some below 40" I didn't think you meant a gentle slope highpass filter, I thought you were talking they cut anything below those frequencies.

I'm still interested as to how you got your figure of 90% - mastering engineers in my experience don't set up high pass filters automatically, without listening to whether or not the track needs that processing. They may even boost that region if the artist brings in reference CDs which have much higher sub levels than their own track.