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Originally posted by Trancer-X And who cares about the interviewer? I just care about the information ascertained from the messenger. Oh, wait - that's right. You shills have to try and scare people away by making it seem that you're just ridiculing them for exposing something that doesn't conveniently fit into your narrowly conceptualized view of this world.

The messenger is important. If Chicken Little tells you the sky is falling, you tend to be a lot more skeptical than if any reputable news source is delivering the message. I like to think of my view of the world as "reality minus paranoia."

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Originally posted by Shakka The messenger is important. If Chicken Little tells you the sky is falling, you tend to be a lot more skeptical than if any reputable news source is delivering the message. I like to think of my view of the world as "reality minus paranoia."

Going by deductive reasoning, your definition of paranoia must be anything that you don't hear from government or corporate propagated sources.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Going by deductive reasoning, your definition of paranoia must be anything that you don't hear from government or corporate propagated sources.

And going by yours, you'll believe anything you hear that supports the most outlandish of theories, regardless of the source. Did you know that Smurfs taste like blueberries?

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Originally posted by Shakka And going by yours, you'll believe anything you hear that supports the most outlandish of theories, regardless of the source. Did you know that Smurfs taste like blueberries?

Quite the contrary, and I'm sorry if that's how you misinterpret it

And you still watch the smurfs? Where am I today, Tranceaddict or Toontown? lol

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Actually, that is what they want and they've been vocal about it on more than one occasion. Hence, another reason why I reflect upon all of this as being a prelude to an Orwellian Police State. From 2002: http://www.wired.com/politics/secur...s/2002/10/55999 They want a cashless society where everyone's personal information (financial, medical, etc.) is stored in a chip. Think of it as an all encompassing, biometric passport that will be stored under your skin.

im not denying the existence of the technology you clown. im denying that there is any evil govt plan run by the bankers and the rockefellers to force its implementation anywhere. its a ridiculous notion.

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If you hadn't been arguing from ignorance (as you always seem to do here) you would know this. Get off your ass and do your research on it because the technology is there and it's quickly emerging.

arguing from ignorance is different to ignoring the paranoid charges from some google video moron who was spouting all manners of nonsense. yeah, the US is a socialist state!

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And who cares about the interviewer? I just care about the information ascertained from the messenger.

i do. the entire "package" that you posted shows very clearly the entire "interview" is a load of shit. do you have a degree? do you know what real intellectual discourse looks/sounds like?

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Oh, wait - that's right. You shills have to try and scare people away by making it seem that you're just ridiculing them for exposing something that doesn't conveniently fit into your narrowly conceptualized view of this world.

our narrow view? you're kidding right? my worldview is very broad, which is why im a centrist. you're the one who sees big scary brother behind every door, who posts irrelevant, unsubstantiated videos of people equally crazy as yourself, with ludicrous CTs concerning the women's lib movement (a movement i have researched much deeper than you i guarantee).

again, your ideas that there is a single, united elite that can so mold and shape history shows a distinct lack of understanding for how the world really works.

it must be really exciting in your world.

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what's really dumb, is that the really "far out there" people (like you trancer) are doing damage to the legitimate anti-establishment movement. look at someone like opus' posts- that's what a rational and logical critique of the american institution(s) looks like. by posting ridiculous notions you ruin what small useful tidbits you may have uncovered, that have a genuine relevance to the rest of us.

in this way, you're acting far more like a disinformation agent of the secret world police than i am

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN my favourite quotes: "the end goal is to get everyone chipped, to control the whole society" "the bankers and some governor, controlling the world" "because america is becoming a socialist country, its a communist country today..." -very quick edit here, i'd love to know what he raved about next! some crap about funding the women's lib movement to break up the family, get kids into school so they can indoctrinate them (here was i thinking that education was a good thing!) getting the kids to "look at the state as their family, not their parents that are teaching them" "the event [women's lib] they created". yeah, the rockefellas created the women's movement. so they could tax the other half of the population when they did things like (shock horror) gain employment. and dont you love the wonderfully professional interviewer? i mean wow! i think one of his questions just went on and on, basically giving us the guy's answer all at the same time. hard-hitting journalism at its best!! they had a plan [rockefeller or CIA im not sure] to bring all of israel to live in arizona. give every israeli a million dollars and bring them to arizona. thanks for the video, that's all we needed to hear. to shaolin: mate- how on earth can you find this kind of stuff even remotely compelling? can you not see the sheer difference in quality between this stuff and real political discourse or journalistic endeavour? its embarrassing. the sheer ignorance of the powerful, uncontrollable nature of history and the events/people/contexts et al. that shape it is simply ridiculous. there is no doubt that the financial elite have a strong hold over societies. but the idea that one single corporation or a handful of people control powerful social movements simply isnt true. politics is far too volatile and unpredictable. there are simply too many variables. the idea that such events can be so easily controlled illustrates a stunning naivete. my hons dissertation was on western feminism and i can guarantee you the rockefellas weren't the driving force behind it

i'd like a response mr shaolin

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN im not denying the existence of the technology you clown. im denying that there is any evil govt plan run by the bankers and the rockefellers to force its implementation anywhere. its a ridiculous notion.

No, it's hardly ridiculous. They tried it once before back in 1933 in what has since become known as the Business Plot.

David Rockefeller has even boasted about being a participant in it in one of his books. I made reference to it in THIS POST just the other day.

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arguing from ignorance is different to ignoring the paranoid charges from some google video moron who was spouting all manners of nonsense. yeah, the US is a socialist state!

I don't even know what you're going on about now. Stop twisting my words around, you twit. I never said the US was a Socialist state, I said it was becoming one.

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i do. the entire "package" that you posted shows very clearly the entire "interview" is a load of shit. do you have a degree? do you know what real intellectual discourse looks/sounds like? our narrow view? you're kidding right? my worldview is very broad, which is why im a centrist. you're the one who sees big scary brother behind every door, who posts irrelevant, unsubstantiated videos of people equally crazy as yourself, with ludicrous CTs concerning the women's lib movement (a movement i have researched much deeper than you i guarantee). again, your ideas that there is a single, united elite that can so mold and shape history shows a distinct lack of understanding for how the world really works. it must be really exciting in your world.

Again, I can barely discern what kind of argument you're even trying to make here. The video I posted was an interview of Aaron Russo. It was kind of the original poster to make this thread in commemoration of him. All you're doing is being an ignorant twat, desecrating what was intended to be good. Kindly piss off.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i'd like a response mr shaolin

What kind of response are you looking for?

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by Trancer-X I don't even know what you're going on about now. Stop twisting my words around, you twit. I never said the US was a Socialist state, I said it was becoming one.

russo did you fool.

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Again, I can barely discern what kind of argument you're even trying to make here. The video I posted was an interview of Aaron Russo. It was kind of the original poster to make this thread in commemoration of him. All you're doing is being an ignorant twat, desecrating what was intended to be good. Kindly piss off.

the video was a bunch of CT nonsense, that didn't possess a single shred of credibility. the interviewer was full of shit, leading his witness, the witness raved on and on with empty rhetorical bullshit. that's my argument. the video you posted was shit. that is all.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z What kind of response are you looking for?

id like to know how an intelligent young man like yourself could swallow even 1% of the bullshit that appears in the video posted by trancer. i mean, obviously you swallow some of it because you made this tribute thread. have you watched that video? id like to know why you think it/he is of any merit whatsoever?

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Okay, so how about a similar message from politician Stan Jones?

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Stan Jones: I wish to thank the sponsors for inviting me; I don’t often get invited. This was an important debate. I had planned another closing message, but I feel compelled to say what I’m about to say. Now, I risk sounding like a conspiracy theorist, but it’s no longer a theory. What I’m about to say is fact. The secret organizations of the world power elite are no longer secret. They have planned and are now leading us into a one world communist government. The combining of national governments started with the European Union. That union started with trade agreements, then a common currency- the euro. And now a European parliament that is feverishly passing laws that override the laws of the member nations. A constitution was drafted, but rejected by a few of those nations, but never mind, they implemented it anyway. Now it’s North America’s turn. Building on the North American Free Trade Agreement, the NAFTA section of the commerce department is busy drafting laws and regulations for a North American Union– a union of Canada, America and Mexico. The president has attended secret meetings and signed at least two agreements under the Security and Prosperity Partnership program. Information leaked out about the meetings and now it is all out in the open. No treaty has been signed, so Congress has not become involved. However, money from our treasury is now being spent for this effort. We will have a new currency– the Amero– and a new constitution modeled on the Soviet Union’s constitution. Our rights will not be inalienable, but will be granted by government who can also take them away. One sign that this is our future is the plans for the superhighways from southern Mexico through America and into Canada. These plans are not secret any longer. Huge amounts of property will be taken in the name of “free trade”, “peace” and “security”. You will have a national ID card with a radio-frequency chip in it. That’s already law in America and will be implemented by May 2000– this man voted for it. You will not be able to move about freely. This is terrorism of the worst kind– brought on you by our own government. The strongest, freest nation in the history of mankind will be averaged into world communism. Is that what you want? Are we, the people, still in control of this nation? We must begin to act like we are!