how is it possible that serato is only accurate to 0.1? in absolute mode it would be constantly correcting it's pitch to match the timecode it is receiving, even if it was only accurate to 0.1 between timecodes, it would still be far more accurate over any meanginful time.
is it just cos the number on screen goes to one decimal place? like cars with speedometers that go to 200mph must go that fast?

Don't waste your time. I started out with all that stuff: DJM 800, 2 CDJ 1000 MK3's, EFX 1000 and eventually saw the light. Now running a new Core 2 Duo Macbook Pro and a Powerbook G4 both with Ableton Live 6. Sickest shit ever. My CDJ's and EFX just sit there.... My advice, buy a new Macbook Pro and a copy of Ableton Live, and a decent midi controller. Nuf said. If you can't rip it up with that then it wasn't meant to be......

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Originally posted by DJ Simo Don't waste your time. I started out with all that stuff: DJM 800, 2 CDJ 1000 MK3's, EFX 1000 and eventually saw the light. Now running a new Core 2 Duo Macbook Pro and a Powerbook G4 both with Ableton Live 6. Sickest shit ever. My CDJ's and EFX just sit there.... My advice, buy a new Macbook Pro and a copy of Ableton Live, and a decent midi controller. Nuf said. If you can't rip it up with that then it wasn't meant to be......

so you're running 2 macs like pvd? one for tracks and the other for keys, samples, etc? sounds cool. i love pvd's setup, BUT dont have the money for it yet... i'm sure i'll end up w/ a similar setup in the next few years.

on topic... from the 3 setups you listed, i would reccomend the cdj800's and xone 92.

OK i didn't read every post in this thread but i don't think anyone asked you an important question ...

Question: In the next 2 years, do you see any possibility of moving to Ableton?



Answer: No, i don't

Result: 2x cdj1000mk3 & DJM 400

Reason: Forget the effects and better quality sound and 4 channels, you don't need them for the first year at least. You want to concentrate on getting very smooth mixes from one track to another, and creating an amazing flow from track to track, nothing else. Even with the DJM 400 you have a few effects to muck around with, you won't need anything else. You will already have way too much to master. You can always upgrade to a better mixer later once you've mastered the basic model.




Answer: Yes, i like what i can see in Ableton, i think I'll end up there within a year or 2.

Result: 2x cdj 800mk2 & xone92

Reason: The Xone 92 is a fantastic mixer, great sound quality, great feel, filters are awesome as everyone else will agree. You can add an external sound card to your setup later and use the 4 decks with Ableton like that. However, why pick the Xone over the DJM? well if you're worried about effects, then don't be, Ableton will more than cover you. The filters are nicer on the Xone, and i like the feel more (You're going to have to try out both to see which one you like). Also the Xone has longer fader which I prefer, but again, up to you.



In fact the more i think about it, go with the 2x cdj1000mk3 & djm 400, it means that if you decide to change your direction in mixing, and want an expensive midi controller later, you won't have spent so much on your mixer.


From what i can see in all the above packages, you're going to be very happy with any of the three. Good luck. Hope i've helped!

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Originally posted by eye_03 the reason why i dont do it is because i see people like you at clubs doped out of your mind. i say "shit, i dont wanna turn out like that scumbag"

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Originally posted by discobiscuit so you're running 2 macs like pvd? one for tracks and the other for keys, samples, etc? sounds cool. i love pvd's setup, BUT dont have the money for it yet... i'm sure i'll end up w/ a similar setup in the next few years.

Yup exactly. The powerbook G4 was bought used for $700, has 2 gigs of ram, and the Pro I bought new. Still a lot of money but when you compare it to the cost of 2 CDJ 1000 Mk3's and an EFX 1000 it's all a wash...... It does't have to cost a lot though. A new Macbook these days can be bought for about $1000, and the Core 2 Due processors are FAST.

The only downside is that it takes a while to learn and effectively use the whole setup, which i'm still in th process of. but other than that the possibilities are endless......

800 and 800

I would get the Xone.

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I think the pitch resolution displayed in the GUI is simply a limitation of the display. It feels pretty damn accurate to me using SSL and the CDJ-1000's. But yeah, the CDJ-800's pitch resolution is MORE than fine. Besides, look carefully when you are out at clubs... a lot of DJ's just leave the pitch setting of the CDJ-1000's at their default (10%, .05% increments).

How did Ableton come up in this discussion? It's a totally different paradigm, and doesn't exactly resemble DJ'ing at all. I tried going that route, and it was totally not fun for me. Decks aren't going anywhere. But you have to choose for yourself.

As for the DJM-800/Xone 92... Pioneer mixers are popular with DJ's, but sound techs hate them.

Take a look how Pioneer advertises the DJM-800... it's ALL on the effects. Seriously, how much are you REALLY going to use all those effects in a set and have it sound GOOD? The filters on the 92 are infinitely more useful than the filters and other effects on the 800.

If you ignore the effects on the DJM-800, and ignore the filters on the Xone 92, the Xone is a MUCH more solid mixer. It's built like a tank, and sounds great, and it's design won't be obsoleted in a year when a new fancy digital mixer comes out. The Xone 92's audio routing is flexible enough so you can have all sorts of other toys connected up to it...

Buy a mixer that's best at being a mixer first and foremost.

Still, they are both fine mixers and I'd be happy with either... I just feel like the A+H has more of it's cost put into the mixer and less into the frills.

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Originally posted by tubby how is it possible that serato is only accurate to 0.1? in absolute mode it would be constantly correcting it's pitch to match the timecode it is receiving, even if it was only accurate to 0.1 between timecodes, it would still be far more accurate over any meanginful time. is it just cos the number on screen goes to one decimal place? like cars with speedometers that go to 200mph must go that fast?

thanks all for your help, i did place order yesterady for pair of cdj's 800 and xone 92