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Originally posted by Theresa Why would people voluntarily join an army for a gov't that does shit all for them. They aren't even properly taken care of when injured, and their families hardly get shit when someone dies.

They go in thinking that the benefits are good. Most people who join the armed forces aren't the types who make a habit of reading exposes on how much the armed forces suck.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles They go in thinking that the benefits are good. Most people who join the armed forces aren't the types who make a habit of reading exposes on how much the armed forces suck.

I hear that they won't let you enlist if you can read.


never saw this coming.

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in defense of the US defense...

those articles are generated by the media and of course for a good story will glorify the wrong doings of some misfortune or glorify a bad situation of a small percentage of what really happens..

easily similar to how the media portrays Iraq... whole different topic..

but as far as compensation for injuries... I have recent experience in this subject as I've been out of the US Army for all of 18 days now.. and I too claimed compensation for my injuries sustained while in the service... I'm still awaiting approval, but can give several examples of compensation of injuries of people i personally know..

One example is a girl got 90% compensation for serious injuires sustained in a car accident in the US totally non-war related... her entire hip was replaced with a metal one and parts of her leg are also steel, but one could not tell this by just looking at her... she walked talked and held a very normal post-Army job while also receiving 90% of her pay for life...

The Army will compensate you, but if you are a Private who has a family and also has a similar injury or something that would put you in a wheelchair for life (which would easily bring in 100% for life).. then that 100% of your pay as a Private cant sustain any sort of family... they just dont get paid enough...and b/c of this new wheelchair status its hard to find any sort of job to compensate for the difference of being able to build a house or sustain a family....

If you are a Colonel and get injured then your 100% pay for life will be plenty to sustain a life and just sit in the wheel chair...

2 quick examples of lesser percentages: depression, bronchitaus (sp?), and torn ACL... all kinda hookey injuries that arent that life changing or altering... guy got a on the spot severance check of $14,000 and then an additional 30% for life...

My injuries pending are: broken collar bone (sustained in Kuwait), broken foot (sustained while trying out for the Army track team), bronchitaus(sp?), and hearing loss (which is technically from going to clubs, but like hell I'll tell the Army that)...

c0r version: the Army does compensate people/ familes,... you just have to know the situation...

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I saw a picture in the paper the other day of an American soldier being presented with a medal.

He had burns to 90% of his body, and was horribly disfigured. As far as I could tell from the vague article, they basically gave him a medal because he got hurt, not because he performed some amazing act of bravery.

Seems like a poor effort to me.

"Damn, I got burnt, I'm going to be in constant physical and mental pain for the remainder of my life".

"Here, have a medal".

"Oh, I feel so much better now, thank you!"

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Originally posted by Theresa Doesn't this outrage Americans??! Why would people voluntarily join an army for a gov't that does shit all for them. They aren't even properly taken care of when injured, and their families hardly get shit when someone dies. That is such bullshit. Gah! I hate the American gov't so much more now it disgusts me.

know the facts before you make your claims against the US...

and everything you read almost always doesnt tell the whole story..

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Originally posted by Beat Blog I saw a picture in the paper the other day of an American soldier being presented with a medal. He had burns to 90% of his body, and was horribly disfigured. As far as I could tell from the vague article, they basically gave him a medal because he got hurt, not because he performed some amazing act of bravery. Seems like a poor effort to me. "Damn, I got burnt, I'm going to be in constant physical and mental pain for the remainder of my life". "Here, have a medal". "Oh, I feel so much better now, thank you!"

and on this one... i didnt see what you are talking about, but dont you think that there is also more to it after this picture and article about this Soldier instead of just a medal and then he goes home forever on his own???

you get medals for being injured by enemy combatants... you can be sitting on the crapper and a mortar hit near you and a piece of shrapnel nick your toe and you'll get a medal....

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Originally posted by inconspicuous I hear that they won't let you enlist if you can read. never saw this coming.

I wasn't talking about intellect or literacy. The people who join the armed forces aren't generally highly critical or negative toward the government and its policies: if they were, they probably wouldn't be supporting those things with their lives by signing up. Since they're not generally as negative toward the government, they tend to dismiss, downplay, or ignore things that portray governmental services in a bad light (just as people on the other side of the fence can often ignore things that portray the armed forces in a good light).

Basic psychology.

My childhood friend was shot in upper chest/shoulder and came back with a sleeping disorder and depression(PTSS?). The government paid for his counseling and psych evaluation, and after being deemed as 'cured', he was sent back.

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Originally posted by SuspicionVandit My childhood friend was shot in upper chest/shoulder and came back with a sleeping disorder and depression(PTSS?). The government paid for his counseling and psych evaluation, and after being deemed as 'cured', he was sent back.

PTSD (post tramautic stress disorder) 20% of all war veterans get some sort of it.. only 5-7% seek treatment..

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thay support you in the british army if injerd in afgahn, iraq, or in other theaters of war. etc

but its silly money just enuff to get buy... around £140 - £150 a week i think,

so i guess the message to the troops is dont fucking get shot silly bollox,

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Originally posted by davidboenke thay support you in the british army if injerd in afgahn, iraq, or in other theaters of war. etc