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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000 You really think so? Even if the player itself is selling better, wouldnt you think companies would judge the better format by which SOFTWARE is selling better rather than which PLAYER? Thats just my perspective...I think Sony made the right move by including Blu-Ray with the PS3, because it practically forces the format down consumer's throats, which is exactly what movie studios and game developers want. Obviously it doesnt play benefit for the consumers themselves, since we inevitably have to pay more (Blu-Ray is the sole reason why the PS3 was more expensive than its competition), but it works for the Blu-Ray cause in terms of who's going to win this so called format war. And yes, the exclusive bullshit is just both of the sides trying to pull the rest of the crew over to their decision. By 2009, one or the other will have the majority and the "exclusive" deals with disappear.

I see what you're saying, I just think more players sold will (in the long run) mean more software sold.

Obviously the format war is far from over, so we'll see.

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Originally posted by RJT I see what you're saying, I just think more players sold will (in the long run) mean more software sold.

Your point is a good one, and I think this holiday season will be the tell-tale sign on whether or not that proves true. If I'm not mistaken, HD-DVD players can be found for as cheap as $249.99. Now, if the PS3 continues its sloppy sales, then perhaps slowly but surely the general public that ARE interested in upgrading to the whole high-def movie fiasco will choose HD-DVD over Blu-Ray.

I'm tellin ya, if it werent for the PS3, Blu-Ray would have been said and done a year ago. Blu-Ray software sales didnt overcome HD-DVD until after the PS3 hit store shelves. Like I said, I think Sony made the right move in terms of making the right decision on how to support the format they want to win: by forcing consumers to buy it.

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here we go again, and a topic i'm happy to discuss

to sum up my opinion, UGH. So many formats and no time to install a standard! There's Blu-Ray and HD-DVD (and several "other" options that are getting no push such as hologram discs and 12-layer DVDs).

So JohnQ puts down $500 for a BluRay player, a nice LCD, good sound system. Life is good for a home theater enthusiast. Well, that is until a week later when he learns that his "state of the art" cable connection is outdated and considered primitive! The HDMI standard has been upgrade a whole 10th of a point and left him in the stone-age! Fuck JohnQ says to himself.
Luckily, he has a return policy of 2 weeks, so he goes back and gets himself a shiny new BD player with the upgraded standard. And all is well. So he goes on the internet to read reviews on his BD player. After attempting to ask a few questions, he disconnects in embarassment after learning AGAIN, that his BD player is out of date! 7 days after exchanging his old BD player, they are making 2-layer BD discs with a faster read speed! God damnit JohnQ says to himself again. More disc space = less compressed output!
He utilizes the 7 day return policy again and asks for the top of the line BD player, with no spare for expense. He shells out the major cash, gets a 1-million layer 500xread BD player with HDMI-FINAL and 10 free movies and a complimentary blowjob.
"surely..." John proclaims "this will last FOREVER!"
Upon turning on his television, he sees a commercial for the first line of PHOLED televisions.
"NOOOOOOOOOO!"


more in a second post..

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Originally posted by SuspicionVandit here we go again, and a topic i'm happy to discuss to sum up my opinion, UGH. So many formats and no time to install a standard! There's Blu-Ray and HD-DVD (and several "other" options that are getting no push such as hologram discs and 12-layer DVDs). So JohnQ puts down $500 for a BluRay player, a nice LCD, good sound system. Life is good for a home theater enthusiast. Well, that is until a week later when he learns that his "state of the art" cable connection is outdated and considered primitive! The HDMI standard has been upgrade a whole 10th of a point and left him in the stone-age! Fuck JohnQ says to himself. Luckily, he has a return policy of 2 weeks, so he goes back and gets himself a shiny new BD player with the upgraded standard. And all is well. So he goes on the internet to read reviews on his BD player. After attempting to ask a few questions, he disconnects in embarassment after learning AGAIN, that his BD player is out of date! 7 days after exchanging his old BD player, they are making 2-layer BD discs with a faster read speed! God damnit JohnQ says to himself again. More disc space = less compressed output! He utilizes the 7 day return policy again and asks for the top of the line BD player, with no spare for expense. He shells out the major cash, gets a 1-million layer 500xread BD player with HDMI-FINAL and 10 free movies and a complimentary blowjob. "surely..." John proclaims "this will last FOREVER!" Upon turning on his television, he sees a commercial for the first line of PHOLED televisions. "NOOOOOOOOOO!" more in a second post..

methinks johnny is a fool for caring about having the very latest tech in the first place.

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for the comment about porn being the deciding factor between BetaMax and VHS, I'm pretty sure that's inaccurate. While it may have helped, I'm pretty sure the flaw since Launch Day was Sony's ASSHOLE business practices, which they have continued throughout the years on each of their technologies: the demand for royalties on all items sold using their medium.

Be it BetaMax, LaserDisc, (their HD-audio disc format), UMD(the format for the PSP) and BluRay, business executives would rather go with the option that saves them money and satisfies the consumer, than the option takes their money and satisfies the consumer.

To the note above about BD being dead had it not been for the PS3: I absolutely agree. I think the playing field is somewhat level because of the PS3, so now the movie execs are in a limbo to calculate profit-cost of dealing with 1 format or publishing across both mediums. The hands right now are in the consumers (who are making it very hard with the small mainstream trickle of dual-format players).

The initial launch of BD was filled with so many blunders and mistakes (especially the choices of their primitive codecs), which enabled the HD-DVD movies to look on par (or even superior) to their BD counterparts. Right now however, Sony has adopted the efficient codec choice of HD-DVD, and looking superb!

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The handling of Blu-Ray is questionable, and of course anyone can ask if it was really necessary that the market as a whole upgrade to another new format when DVD's are still popular. But even then, we all know that HD content takes up more space. It would only be logical for the industry to move forward for a higher-capacity medium to accompany the HD craze.

Perhaps HD isnt standard just yet, but it sure as hell will be soon enough. The whole Blu-Ray/HD-DVD battle is still in its early stages when you consider that DVD's were released in 1996 and they didnt outsell VHS until 2003. Think of the timespan right there, so its reasonable to believe the same will be the case with these HD players as they will drastically reduce in price as the years progress into the 2nd decade.

The PS3 is doing for blu-ray quite like what the PS2 did for DVD.

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Originally posted by Sunsnail I disagree. Competition like this ultimately benefits the consumer.

Yeah, as in them getting all our hard earned cash with ridicules prices. really benefits us.

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Originally posted by Fledz Yep...buy something for $1000 now? Then you're an idiot. Wait 1 year and you will get a better and faster system for about....$50.

yeah dude, im sure this is correct with the current speed of HDTV/BluRay HDVD stuff.

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Originally posted by r5a Yeah, as in them getting all our hard earned cash with ridicules prices. really benefits us.

Its the competition that eventually makes those prices go down, though.

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HD-DVD Regains Hardware Sales Lead
NPD figures show HD-DVD commanding dedicated hardware.
by Gerry Block

October 12, 2007 - Speaking to Video Business earlier this week, Jodi Sally, Toshiba's VP of marketing of digital A/V products, proclaimed that HD-DVD has regained its lead in dedicated hardware sales in the calendar year. Citing NPD sales figures, Sally stated that HD-DVD has been accountable for 53% of dedicated next-gen DVD hardware sales. Dedicated Blu-ray hardware comprises 44% of sales, while dual-format players make up just 3%.

Dedicated hardware does not include the PlayStation 3, which is responsible for getting several million Blu-ray players installed in American homes. Toshiba believes it can counter this advantage in 2008, however, as the company will soon be offering laptops with built-in HD-DVD drives at the popular $1,000 price point. The company estimates that it will ship 5-million HD-DVD drives for PCs and laptops next year and expects better attach rates for movie titles than the PS3 currently encourages, as various studies have recently suggested that (rather horrifyingly) only 20% of PS3 owners play Blu-ray movies on their consoles.



These numbers only pertain to standalone players...so PS3 stats are not included. Still, its to mention that soon Toshiba will start including HD-DVD drives in their PC's. Im not sure how much of an effect this will have on movie sales, since people dont really buy PC's and laptops so they can watch HD movies at their computer desk. Regardless, once one side makes a good move, the other does likewise. While the consumers want nothing but this war to end, and for the confusion and wasted money to stop, the industry reloads ammunition on both sides for the battle to continue.

Perhaps we shall all just stick to DVD until they figure this shit out.

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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000 Perhaps we shall all just stick to DVD until they figure this shit out.

That's been my plan - I have and HD-DVD (the one for 360 - it was only $100 so I had to buy it ) player and haven't even purchased a single HD-DVD yet.

And boy-oh-boy was I glad to see the company that came out with a true HDMI output for first generation Xbox 360's...

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Originally posted by RJT That's been my plan - I have and HD-DVD (the one for 360 - it was only $100 so I had to buy it ) player and haven't even purchased a single HD-DVD yet. And boy-oh-boy was I glad to see the company that came out with a true HDMI output for first generation Xbox 360's...

What kind of TV do you have?

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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000 What kind of TV do you have?

Not anything compatible w/ HD

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