you meen click the 30Hz lo cut botton? i always do that on everything. so i guess i still need to use a Eq on everything right. also i was think what if i put to EQs on the kicks and basses and clicked both lo cut bottons could that help even more , cuz i dont know how much it actually cuts it cuz i doesnt show that low, plus i figured it cant really hurt could it?

Bass and Kick love to share the same closet. They're both fat. If you low shelf each a bit, and take out some of their energy, they can both fit in the closet. But, if you add a subbass... that's like letting Tom Cruise into the closet. And you'll have to keep being creative with EQing.

My best results are this:

Low shelf bassline line at around 100-150Hz, by -3 to 6dB?
Low shelf kick at around 50-60Hz by -3 to -6dB

Since I don't want to sap the bass out of both, I side-chain compress the bassline from the kick.

And no not in a cheesy way, no Benassi... in a tasteful way, like 3db of gain reduction.

Works like a champ. Same trick can be used on other stuff, like vocals, and really rich and bright synths. Side-chain compress your bright full synth to the vocals.

So yea. EQ first, cut, and rarely boost, then compress.

WOT WOT.

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Oh yea. High pass filters? (ie the 30hz cut.) Is A: not normally necissary, and B: doesn't really do a whole lot but add phase distortion along the rest of the octaves of 30Hz. (so 60Hz, 120Hz, 240Hz) Any time you EQ there's phase distortion. Not a lot, but it will add up if you're high passing stuff like crazy, like ALWAYS clicking on that 30Hz cut button.

So yea. High pass filters are to be avoided, because they don't sound natural... unless that's the effect you want... of course.

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i was told on here that clicking the 30Hz cut is good cuz it gets rid of sounds you can hear , and ultimatlly makes that sound louder. so what you are saying is dont use the 30Hz cut ? or do you meen dont use it on everything?


also i dont even know what high pass and low shelf meens from what you just posted i understand that i high pass filter is the 30Hz button?

"Low shelf bassline line at around 100-150Hz, by -3 to 6dB?
Low shelf kick at around 50-60Hz by -3 to -6dB"

this im not to clear about

http://www.stage-directions.com/bac.../oct02/eq.shtml



And from the website:

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So far we've classified equalizers according to the frequency bands they control. They also can be classified by the shape of their frequency response. A peaking equalizer (Figure 3-A) creates a response in the shape of a hill or peak when set for a boost. With a shelving equalizer, the shape of the frequency response resembles a shelf, as in Figure 3-B. A filter causes a rolloff at the frequency extremes. It sharply rejects (attenuates) frequencies above or below a certain frequency. Figure 3-C shows three types of filters: lowpass, highpass and bandpass. For example, a 100 Hz highpass filter (low-cut filter) attenuates frequencies below 100 Hz. Its response is down 3 dB at 100 Hz and more below that. This removes low-pitched noises, such as room rumble, mic handling noise and mic breath pops. A filter is named according to the steepness of its rolloff: 6 dB per octave (first-order), 12 dB/octave (second-order), 18 dB/octave (3rd order) and so on.

Filters (ie 30hz button) are good to a certain extent. Things like hi-hats, cymbols, etc don't have much usefull low frequency content, and no sub-sonic fequency contact. I suppose you can high-pass filter like the wind if you want.

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awsome that helped alot , so shelving can either be boosting or cutting (e.i. high or low shelving), but shelving just reffers to the "shape of the frequency response"


thank you

One of my tips. Try and listen to what you're making and try to pinpoint the problem areas or areas that need attention. Try and stay away from the numbers and stats and curves, feel!

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If less is more think about how much more more would be. -Frasier

My goodness, you have so many concepts running around in this thread. I'll try to just stick to the questions asked of me.

Some instruments may need no eq. For me personally, almost every instrument goes through an eq at some point, either acting directly on the instrument itself, or working on a specific subgroup (like a percussion subgroup, easier to put a highpass filter on the whole group than on each individual element. Does the same job and uses less CPU)

In terms of cutting away frequencies, that can be done to the kick, the bass, the lead instruments, any sound in the mix. It really depends on the sounds and what you're trying to do. If there's too much of a particular frequency in a particular instrument, you can use eq to bring that frequency down a bit.

But I can't tell you what to cut and boost. There are many fantastic engineers producing many fantastic tracks, and these engineers don't all use eq in exactly the same way. And a particular engineer may not use eq the same way in each song.

Work out what you want to do, and learn what the tools you have at your disposal will enable you to do. Listen very closely to your favourite music, in whatever dimension you're interested in - if you're currently working out your reverb technique, listen only to the reverb applied to each instrument. If you're currently working only on your kicks and basses, don't pay any attention to the hgih instruments. If you're working on eq, listen to each instrument - does the bass sound seem to have any high frequencies in there? how high does the bass go? Do the lead instruments have bass frequencies? How bassy do the leads get? How rich is the hihat in mid frequencies?

Spend time in the studio, experiment. We've all tried a thousand wrong approaches and made horrible music. But that's great - once you learn every wrong approach, the only ones left are the good ones!

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Originally posted by DJFreaq Oh yea. High pass filters? (ie the 30hz cut.) Is A: not normally necissary, and B: doesn't really do a whole lot but add phase distortion along the rest of the octaves of 30Hz. (so 60Hz, 120Hz, 240Hz) Any time you EQ there's phase distortion. Not a lot, but it will add up if you're high passing stuff like crazy, like ALWAYS clicking on that 30Hz cut button. So yea. High pass filters are to be avoided, because they don't sound natural... unless that's the effect you want... of course.

Only if you use a non linear phase EQ. So basically any EQ that doesn't say 'Linear Phase' or claims to model the sound of 'analogue EQs'

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Originally posted by Derivative Only if you use a non linear phase EQ. So basically any EQ that doesn't say 'Linear Phase' or claims to model the sound of 'analogue EQs'

Indeed. *nods*

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Originally posted by Storyteller Try and stay away from the numbers and stats and curves, feel!

that's all ya need folks

thanks guys but i think im getting mixed messages or im just confused.

DJFreaq
"Oh yea. High pass filters? (ie the 30hz cut.) Is A: not normally necissary, and B: doesn't really do a whole lot but add phase distortion along the rest of the octaves of 30Hz. (so 60Hz, 120Hz, 240Hz) Any time you EQ there's phase distortion. Not a lot, but it will add up if you're high passing stuff like crazy, like ALWAYS clicking on that 30Hz cut button.

So yea. High pass filters are to be avoided, because they don't sound natural... unless that's the effect you want... of course."

after reading this i understand not to use the 30Hz cut on every channel , but i still like using it on my bass and kicks


derail

"Some instruments may need no eq. For me personally, almost every instrument goes through an eq at some point, either acting directly on the instrument itself, or working on a specific subgroup (like a percussion subgroup, easier to put a highpass filter on the whole group than on each individual element. Does the same job and uses less CPU)"

but then here , and correct me if im wrong derail is saying that you can use this on a grab of percussion? e.i. hihats shakers and rides. but wounldn't that cause phase distortion that DJfreaq was talking about. because theory it make sense that not every sound should be high passed at the same freq , let alone a group of them.
i put every percussion sound on its own channel and through its on EQ , so i can have more control over every sound.